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Originally Posted by Android_808 View Post
its a real shame they can't be hosted even if was behind a click through page clearly stating that they are not officially supported.

what would happen if cssu devs created there own firmware image?
The issue is that the current firmware images have blobs and bits that are copyright and proprietary to Nokia and/or 3rd parties. Some of those companies gave Nokia permissions to redistribute their things. (eg: AdobeFlash 9.0) But those permissions are likely NOT transferable by Nokia to another entity.

Joerg has this "to hell with the rules" attitude when it's not his skin on the line. When it's other people, he's happy to argue the case and declare his interpretation of the law as the only possible sane and correct view. But you'll note he's "working by the rules" when it comes to Neo900. Why not just move all the funds to the new corporation? It's all in the proper spirit of getting Neo900 out the door, isn't it? But because it's him that would land in jail, he's not willing to risk it.

Bottom line is: Nokia can not (or simply is not willing to) legally transfer the rights needed to distribute the images they could legally distribute. Given that, HiFo can not legally distribute them. End of argument.

The contracts and EULA give Nokia alone the right to distribute, and their end users rights to hold and use those tools. To give others the right to distribute would require Nokia going back to the 3rd parties and updating contracts, and/or removing those items from the images, assuming you could do so without crippling Fremantle (doubtful). Even without the MS buyout, that wouldn't have happened. I know, because we asked, begged, and pleaded repeatedly over the past several years for just that and hit a brick wall every time. Even to Quim, and to Teo, as council, as HiFo, and as a community.

Legally, HiFo can not distribute these items. Because one delusional person believes otherwise is not a legal standing in a court of law. Think it is? Host them yourself, and proclaim who you are, so you can get sued and take on that court challenge with your belief. If you're right, you'll be loved by the community forever. If you're wrong, you wind up in jail. If you're not willing to take that risk on your own, then you're a hypocrite to insist others should be doing so on your behalf.

Edit: To be clear, the proverbial "you" above is not directed at any single person, especially not Android_808. This is to those that continue arguing that "we" have the "right" to do this, and bad mouth those who follow the law on this matter because it's the legally required thing to do.
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