I just find it frustrating that Nokia Can't be bothered (that's how it looks from here) to just throw a resonable level of resources at developing the software that would make the N8xx fantastic for consumer and geek alike. There is just so much that Nokia could do if they had the mind to, but instead it is just left to simmer and the community. It's good that the communitiy can do stuff, but if Nokia just put 1% of the resource that Apple probably did in developing the iPhone, then we would already have most of the things that a revolutionary device should and a lot more besides. I bet they would be selling at 10 times the rate as well. It almost seams like they lack the vision or there is just to much inertia to make things happen. Come on Nokia get of your Ar*e and put some real effort in. Rant Over!!! Zuber