UTStarcomm, that was the other brand! Yea, agreed, they're pretty horrible as well. As far as desktop SIP phones, I don't know of any in a reasonable price range that support SIP video calling (I think some of th higher end Cisco ones do, but you're talking BIG money there, and I've never used anything beyond the 2/4 line desktop sets from them so no idea how difficult they are to setup/etc, especially for video). I agree in that a standalone desktop type phone is often better for certain types of people... so if anyone has any good experiences with a reasonably priced standalone SIP video phone, I too would be interested!