woo hoo! I got it working, I had it plugged in for a while and I started playing with the power plug, after lots of frustrated plug in and outs, taking out battery, memory card etc (and I did this a lot before) the device all of a sudden got a vague "charging" icon, I let it charge all way up and now its up! I wonder why this happend, maybe bc it lost charge while I was using the memory card? no idea, but I would like to know if anyone has any ideas as to why this happend, is this just user error on my part? I know it would be hard to tell, but maybe someone has had similar issues. I initially thought this was a known issue like the wsod, (although i never thought it was what my problem was after research)