Yes...that allowed me to tar....thanks.

But when I do the killall matchbox-window it just restarts the matchbox....and it wont let me do it as root....I have to exit.

Isnt there an way to add this all to a script, so I can just click on a button and it kills matchbox and brings FVWM up and runs it....? I am going to be having to do this pretty frequently.

Any ideas or help would be great....thanks again Benson

Steve