could buy a refurbished N900 with 1 year warranty for €259.95 so guess without warranty 170 - 180 is an okay price but i'm not going to buy any N900, unless my primary stops working unexpectedly (knock knock) or maybe in 2014 if Jolla can not pull their act together & provide another (well integrated) half with a hardware keyboard ¦-)))))) hope they'll pull it off