Originally Posted by Loz

so i should role back t PR1.3 and put nothing else on the computer with a phone and a camera built in and put nothing else on board and it should work? lol. god id be even further back from todays tablets than ever. the N900 is good no great but it has a lot of pitfalls.ive said this before and ill say it again. my phone has been the same from day 1 before cssu and overclocking and the rest. it just came to ahead when im trying to get general snaps of my friends wedding day, the last thing i expected to happen at that moment was for the n900 to look so stupid againt the iphones and htc's but the fact is it did and yes i was pissed!. so computer or not it has a cam on it so im gonna use it am i not??. like i said ill prob keep it as a play thing but i will move on up todate with some thing eles.

Originally Posted by glabifrons

I'd bet you had a browser running for a long time, probably with loads of windows open, right?

I've seen the lag which you describe, and it is always caused by thrashing (swapping itself senseless). next time you get that kind of lag run "free" in an xterm and you'll see you're likely around 200mb into swap.
The browser is a hog, kill it when you aren't actively using it and your experience will dramatically improve.

Originally Posted by tuxsavvy

Its questionable now if your device was actually properly functioning from day one prior to overclocking. You do realise the endless amounts of warnings informing users to _not_ overclock their device at any rate regardless if their device is capable of being overclocked or not. Contrary to all that you decided to overclock just because the device is not working to the way you expected it, and then you tried to take happy snaps when you found out you had issues with camera `app' which pissed you right off.

Nobody said you can't take photos or make phone calls just because the device is equipped with it. Ironically nobody is going to think that its the device's fault when you've been tinkering things that normally carries its own labels and warnings. CSSU is not stable and overclocking is generally bad for the device. You ignored all those warnings just to think you're ahead of the game. You went to wedding party without initially testing the device after you have done all the modifications on the device to your satisfaction. You rightly assumed the device will `just work fine' until you found out camera `app' doesn't work. Now tell me, who's fault is it when you are going to explain to an officer for instance that you've ran through a red light with a modified car after knowing full well that there is a chance you'll get fined? `No sir, its not my fault its my car's fault you see... I've done some mods and now the car just doesn't work like its supposed to.'

Originally Posted by tuxsavvy

I don't know how many times do I have to say this, N900 is _not_ a phone. You don't call a computer with a phone handle attached to the side of it and would actually ring when someone is calling you a phone would you?

Many people misunderstood the point of N900 being an internet tablet with phone functionality as being a smartphone. When N900 is marketed as a smartphone people go all crazy and naive without studying its history. Then they expect N900 to function as a smartphone with very high expectations but to only realise their own stupidity that N900 lacks loads of fundamental features that are normally found on a smartphone.

Its ludicruous really, people let marketing get in their way of thinking, then they assume too much in which they get shot down like a moth trying to get to darkside of a light bulb only to find itself being burnt.

I agree with many posts on this thread, you simply have too many things installed which broke your setup. As for assuming that N900 would `just work' like many other android, iOS, etc devices, that is just showing your blatant ignorance. Have you ever seen a rooted android or jailbroken iOS running beta applications where things would actually break to make you pissed off? Have you ever seen where cyanogen mods for android on certain unsupported devices just bricks android? How about installing iphonelinux and realising that you have lots of broken setups here and there? These are all the normal things to expect with any smartphone when you go messing with things that you shouldn't have been messing with. The case gets a little more worse when a person's incompetency of acknowledging N900's shortfalls is married with installing things that were known to have an effect on the device such as power-kernel, such as programs from extras-testing or extras-devel, such as overclocking, etc. Yet ironically people just don't realise it until its too late.

On a final note, N900 is a geek's toy. The history of Nokia Nxxx devices has never been marketed for widespread usage, it was only intended for a very niche market and the same could be said about N900 except for the fact that Nokia got too desperate for the wrong reasons.

Originally Posted by bipinbn

absolutely right..and very well said..I have been an n900 user for past 1.5 years and have faced situations where it does not do the basic of things right..like the phone app not coming up during a call..and so on... thats bound to happen with all the messing up i did with it for so long...all the beta apps and tweaks..

and just to understand my n900 better I reflashed it and kept it unmodded for a month and boy what a well behaved phone it was..i installed no apps from testing and devl and did no tweaks whatsoever..

..camera used to fire up instantaneously..no lags during incoming call..15 days of uptime and no lags...

the truth is when used as a normal phone it very well behaves as a normal phone..its only when you do all the messing up does it act up..

But for all it gives me..i am really happy to load it up and live with it... its the best device i have had in my pocket for a long time by a long shot

Originally Posted by Loz

you dont have a idea what is on my phone/computer!. i work with computers on a daily basis for a living for the past 25 years.

Loz.