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06-19-2012 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Yes. I do believe that. Do you believe that they would not have already thought about GSM in their tablets to compete with the other GSM enabled tablets?
No doubt they would have thought about it. They may even include it. doesn't make me believe they can compete in the handset market. I don't think it's as simple as just ordering a GSM radio and shrinking your tablet, they would need to pay for patented features that apply to handsets in particular, they would need to have carrier backing. I mean the difference between a iPad with and without cellular is £100.

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Didn't stop Samsung. Didn't stop Motorola. I'm quite sure that Microsoft might have thought about it too...
Samsung and Motorola are well established phone manufacturers. Motorola being one of the first few around. They have a large hardware patent portfolio around mobiles. MS did more than just think about entering the phone market, they tried and failed. I see no reason why trying again with the same strategy would be different. Unless you can tell me what exactly caused them to fail and what will make them succeed if they try again now.


Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Internal politics were deadly around KIN and Courier. Sucks, honestly. Both could have been contenders for this North American market.
If by internal politics you mean business then I agree. MS struggled entering a well established market because they had no real market leverage or expertise.

Licensing is cheaper than buying them... unless the company that holds the patents is in trouble or a strategic partner.
haha, that's true.
What is even cheaper (and what they have done) is to sell their software to Nokia for a price, dictate what Nokia make with a set of strict hardware specifications, get the immediate patents, market presence, carrier backing of Nokia. In comparison to making a phone themselves, paying Nokia and countless others for licensing patents, building a new phone brand from scratch, trying to convince carriers with little to no telecommunications presence/force/expertise, and hiring a workforce to do it all. They've already bought Nokia without paying the price, they don't need to formalize it.

Because they've outlived their usefulness. Ballmer is a right bastard and dealing with him, the deal with the Devil is probably a kinder deal.
Are you suggesting WP is like Malaria? Ballmer the mosquito?
That's an interesting strategy.

Exactly. And Microsoft has shown they can do hardware now...

If they made their own tablet, they might do their own phone. That's my point.

Makes for good speculation though, doesn't it?
Sure does. They might, but I still believe they would struggle without an already well established handset manufacturer such as Nokia. By Nokia I mean either the independent mobile manufacturer or the subsidiary of MS formerly known as Nokia.
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06-19-2012 , 03:30 AM
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Well, speaking of stocks, OMX just opened, and from the looks of it - it's going down... Quite a number of stocks sold early on, and others will do it promptly as well dragging the price even lower.

Let's see how the market will judge this 'Microsoft is actually helping Nokia through strengthening the ecosystem by releasing their own tablet range' mantra that apologists were uttering since yesterday.
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06-19-2012 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
I still believe they would struggle without an already well established handset manufacturer such as Nokia. By Nokia I mean either the independent mobile manufacturer or the subsidiary of MS formerly known as Nokia.
Didn't Microsoft already sell their mobile handset operating systems over the years to other well-established smartphone makers like Palm (like their Treo Windows phones), HP/Compaq (i.e.Jornada/iPAQ), UTStarcom (Thera/PPC), HTC (HTC7 series), and LG and Samsung. At one point they even made their own short-lived handsets a couple of years ago, Microsoft's own Kin! To say MS isn't already established, given they've had all this time, even in hardware manufacturing, seems a little funny to me.

I'm not sure how much more well-established they need to be when Apple, Google and even Symbian took off comparatively faster than Microsoft's foray into mobile. FAR faster.
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06-19-2012 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Didn't Microsoft already sell their mobile handset operating systems over the years to other well-established smartphone makers like Palm (like their Treo Windows phones), HP/Compaq (i.e.Jornada/iPAQ), UTStarcom (Thera/PPC), HTC (HTC7 series), and LG and Samsung. At one point they even made their own short-lived handsets a couple of years ago, Microsoft's own Kin! To say MS isn't already established, given they've had all this time, even in hardware manufacturing, seems a little funny to me.

I'm not sure how much more well-established they need to be when Apple, Google and even Symbian took off comparatively faster than Microsoft's foray into mobile. FAR faster.
In software I agree, we were discussing why they failed when they decided to get into phone hardware with the KIN. MS don't have much expertise in it and they don't have the same relationship with carriers that most established handset manufacturers have. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola, etc have a well established relationship with carriers, they even provide the infrastructure for their networks. When the public is showing no interest in MS hardware there is little reason for the carrier to continue. Nokia as a well established manufacturer can at least get your software through the carriers.
 
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06-19-2012 , 04:34 AM
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Great day to be nokia share owner. I'm no longer in for the money but for a chance to vote Stephan "burning platform" Elop out of office. (and the money in a very very very long term )
 
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris View Post
Great day to be nokia share owner. I'm no longer in for the money but for a chance to vote Stephan "burning platform" Elop out of office. (and the money in a very very very long term )
Are shareholders voting soon?
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No, plus the majority share holders blocking my way. The could make elop leave or force a vote.
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06-19-2012 , 06:11 AM
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I working to vote for Ari Jaaksi as president. And fire Elop. What is he Ari doing now?

If everything goes according to plan Ari in, Elop out next week.
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06-19-2012 , 06:19 AM
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I working to vote for Ari Jaaksi as president. And fire Elop. What is he Ari doing now?

If everything goes according to plan Ari in, Elop out next week.
Good luck Dave

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