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Originally Posted by Arie
No, this is something that everyone needs to be aware of.
Originally Posted by Arie
This is a conversation better suited for private messages.
Irony much?
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Originally Posted by woody14619
He's wasting time and I'm not eager to talk to him about anything. You I will respond to. Finding faults in my argument is childish and pointless.
Irony much?
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2012-06-21
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Originally Posted by Arie
Why should it? It should be public.
This is a conversation better suited for private messages.
You're picking and choosing the criteria of what should be public and private, I requested this kind of rhetoric go private earlier on.
Now it suits you to go private when I ask for explanations?
Seriously?! Put up or shut up by now man. That's where you've placed yourself squarely right now.
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2012-06-21
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still no official comments on my point =\
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2012-06-21
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Originally Posted by Arie
Some would call claiming a community competition was "rigged", and demanding results from winners of awards for past works childish and pointless as well. We all do childish and pointless things at times though, don't we?
Finding faults in my argument is childish and pointless.
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2012-06-21
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Originally Posted by woody14619
Your opinions and comments towards me are attacking me more and more each time. You are not winning favor with many of the Harmattan folks speaking to me this way, you clearly should be more friendly as I'm not attacking you and asking for explanations.
Considering you were attacking the people awarded, in at least 2 places by name, I'd hardly call your approach "friendly". You were in fact arguing, weather you acknowledge it or not, and being highly insulting to everyone involved to boot. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this.
Originally Posted by woody14619;1225361No. I think you need to look at the rules and qualifications for [B
So instead of giving the awards to people that should have gotten them, you gave them to would be moderators in your eyes?this competition[/B] again. This is not about future works or promises. This is not about coding. It's not about Harmattan, nor is it limited to only the Harmattan community. There are three other competitions for that, this is not one of them. You need to educate yourself on what this competition was, not what you think it should have been, or are assuming it was.
This was an award to people who have put tons of thankless, often unrecognized, hours of work in and helped build the Maemo community to what it is today. That includes people from N7*0, N8*0, N900 and N9. This is for work they've already done, not for work they're promising to do.
As a simple matter of logic though, it's not hard to comprehend that the type of person who would win this award will very likely take to the new shiny and become just as active in their new community as they have been here. While there is no *promise* to do so, I have no doubt many of them will in fact become major contributors if they haven't been already.
I personally was both excited and sad to award major contributors to past Maemo OSs a Harmattan device. Excited to see how they'll be able to help and expand Harmattan, and even help bridge the community gap that (clearly) exists between Harmattan and the rest of Maemo. I was sad knowing that in doing so we're losing some of the time and resources we now enjoy, as they divert time away from the older platforms and toward Harmattan.
Take this for what it is. It's an award not just for individuals, but for the entire community; the Harmattan community in particular. Ranting and claiming it was rigged because it didn't fit your expectations does nothing but harm the community.
People's past contributions are great, but if there is no record of their involvement or help with Harmattan how can we be sure that they will be so eager to help Harmattan as you claim?
Woody, rethink how you respond to me next time (be more friendly), because you are making a lot of enemies in the Harmattan camp this way.
Again to the people that received awards I have no issue with you, I am questioning the decision making process of the council.
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Oh that makes perfect sense, an award for past contributions, unless you're in the council and get it for... what exactly? If you guys are going to award $700 prizes to people for their 'past contributions', it really helps if there's some information on why you chose who you chose. Unless you don't care that some of us might think it's a rigged competition. Why shouldn't I think that? No need to give example names, every name is suspect when you have zero transparency.
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2012-06-21
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first, i dont usually say much, but can we take the 'youre-a-jerk' bits and not say them out loud?
second, can we then take the calm and reasoned critiques and keep them public? ive got no problem with arie, zogg, and others voicing this stuff, POLITELY.
its highly inflammatory to, say, accuse the council of abuse of power, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be done, nor that it shouldnt be done in public. democracy, people.
can we ALL take the tone down a bit?
second, can we then take the calm and reasoned critiques and keep them public? ive got no problem with arie, zogg, and others voicing this stuff, POLITELY.
its highly inflammatory to, say, accuse the council of abuse of power, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be done, nor that it shouldnt be done in public. democracy, people.
can we ALL take the tone down a bit?
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2012-06-21
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id like to add my voice to zoggs/aries/creamys, and say, i dont know man, i think its messed up that the council gave it to themselves, deserving or not.
also, since its strictly a thank-you for past, possibly hitherto-unrecognized service.
why would the most important key developers not get it? id give another to rzr before id give it to, lets say, anyone on the council.
also, since its strictly a thank-you for past, possibly hitherto-unrecognized service.
why would the most important key developers not get it? id give another to rzr before id give it to, lets say, anyone on the council.
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This was an award to people who have put tons of thankless, often unrecognized, hours of work in and helped build the Maemo community to what it is today. That includes people from N7*0, N8*0, N900 and N9. This is for work they've already done, not for work they're promising to do.
As a simple matter of logic though, it's not hard to comprehend that the type of person who would win this award will very likely take to the new shiny and become just as active in their new community as they have been here. While there is no *promise* to do so, I have no doubt many of them will in fact become major contributors if they haven't been already.
I personally was both excited and sad to award major contributors to past Maemo OSs a Harmattan device. Excited to see how they'll be able to help and expand Harmattan, and even help bridge the community gap that (clearly) exists between Harmattan and the rest of Maemo. I was sad knowing that in doing so we're losing some of the time and resources we now enjoy, as they divert time away from the older platforms and toward Harmattan.
Take this for what it is. It's an award not just for individuals, but for the entire community; the Harmattan community in particular. Ranting and claiming it was rigged because it didn't fit your expectations does nothing but harm the community.
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