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07-20-2012 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
WP is gaining traction. Lumia 800 is a great phone, much better than any symbian or meego product they had. NOKIA is not a software company and therefore only has two options: ANDROID or WP. They made the right choice, and are undergoing necessary transformation and transition.

The apologists of the NOKIA past arent getting the above, and I wonder why. Is it this hate of Microsoft? Hate of Americanism? Hate of European impotence to produce hi tech mobile product? The hate is myopic and without any vision. Elop is NOKIAs only chance, the Europeans could not have done it by themselves, and that is where the hate stems from.
What is it with you and xenophobia? First, according to you, Nokia made "Taliban phones", now Europeans hate "Americanism" and are impotent? The only intolerant and hateful person around here is you and it seems to stem from some kind of inner xenophobia.

How you see anybody as a Nokia apologist is also beyond me because you and specc seem to be the only ones who are defending their actions. Nobody else is defending anything so that makes them the opposite of an apologist.
 
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07-20-2012 , 12:49 PM
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#1942
WP8 is rolling October is the date:
http://www.gsmarena.com/stephen_elop...-news-4545.php
 
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07-20-2012 , 12:54 PM
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How you see anybody as a Nokia apologist is also beyond me because you and specc seem to be the only ones who are defending their actions. Nobody else is defending anything so that makes them the opposite of an apologist.[/QUOTE]

@cue, I think "Lumiaman" was saying that we were apologists for Nokia in the good old days and is questioning why we are not now.
 
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07-20-2012 , 01:05 PM
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#1944
Originally Posted by Cue View Post
What is it with you and xenophobia? First, according to you, Nokia made "Taliban phones", now Europeans hate "Americanism" and are impotent? The only intolerant and hateful person around here is you and it seems to stem from some kind of inner xenophobia.

How you see anybody as a Nokia apologist is also beyond me because you and specc seem to be the only ones who are defending their actions. Nobody else is defending anything so that makes them the opposite of an apologist.
Cheve says what I meant. You have begun to piss on NOKIA since Elop came on board and got rid of dying platforms. Taliban phones was meant in jest= phones that nobody wants but most primitive people. And yes, I do think that there is much more Xenophobia in Europe than in the US.
 
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07-20-2012 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by specc View Post
WP8 is rolling October is the date:
http://www.gsmarena.com/stephen_elop...-news-4545.php
What is the current "burn-rate" for Nokia? I read somewhere that it is about 1B per Q, so by the time this thing is launched(requiring ramping up of production, marketing and etc), Nokia may end up with less than 1B in the bank.
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07-20-2012 , 01:20 PM
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#1946
I don't know if your burn rate billion is before or after the newest cuts, but remember that it's very expensive on the short run to fire people.

I get embarrassed when someone call my predictions estimates, they're wild guesses at best :B
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07-20-2012 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by specc View Post
I don't take the hint. I don't have any agenda. What should that be? I just don't like discussing this an a basis of what some people feel about Elop and the gang. It makes no sense discussing Nokia stock on that basis. It's childish.
I'm talking about what sold and what shipped.

Unless you're illiterate, there's nothing about Elop in that.
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07-20-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cheve View Post
What is the current "burn-rate" for Nokia? I read somewhere that it is about 1B per Q, so by the time this thing is launched(requiring ramping up of production, marketing and etc), Nokia may end up with less than 1B in the bank.
It's more like 2-3M Euro. They will at least have 2B Euro left at year end, closer to 3. Additional cuts may improve this further.

Also the Asha touch screen phones are coming, with a new Nokia store by the looks of things. Somewhere around September. Then in October hell breaks loose (for iOS and Android)

I am actually starting to look forward to using my WP8 Lumia, surfing this site, banging some sense into the heads of you people Maybe an Asha on the side
 
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07-20-2012 , 01:48 PM
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#1949
Originally Posted by SamGan View Post
Gems from specc:

Elop has turned the ship - Then how come the company is still making heavy losses and expecting at least another quarter of losses?

WP is gaining traction: - With 2% global market share?

WP8 will be successful - In your dreams but at the moment no shred of evidence to support this.

Nokia is boosting production of WP8 - How when the OS isn't even finished yet and the phone hasn't been designed yet?
I see it in a bigger and longer term:

WP8/W8 embedded ITSELFs may very well succes.

For endusers: because WP8 integrates better with W8. (If I get it right thgey both will use same "SDK"?

Also if Microshit make a better embedded development framework for theyr "ARM toolchains" , based on VisualStudio, it may very well harm Android and ofcourse embedded Linux.

Reason: developers and hw manufactors are lazy and in the moment eclipse (for example) is bloated peice of **** in embedded. And if no one comes up with something better Microsoft will take over this area :/

Also setting up a developer toolchain for linux is still complicated beast.

I hink I run oftopic here but back to topic. WP8 itself may take back users and hwmanufactors from Android. But question is if Nokia will win much of this deal... Probadly not. In case of W8 tablets Nokia is probadly already loosing comming battle. Cause there will come atleast 20 different tablets runing W8 Q4.

So still Nokia is doomed...

We could onkly hope that Jolla is Nokoia planB..... Probadly not but...
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07-20-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
Cheve says what I meant. You have begun to piss on NOKIA since Elop came on board and got rid of dying platforms. Taliban phones was meant in jest= phones that nobody wants but most primitive people. And yes, I do think that there is much more Xenophobia in Europe than in the US.
Nope, I began to "piss on Nokia", if you can even call it that, since they started making bad choices. Even step 4/5 and Meego. I even understand why they made these choices but I'm not about to cloud my own judgement and pretend they are a success now, clearly the facts show their choices are not helping.It has nothing to do with anybody hating "Americanism". That's just your own "projection bias" rearing its head.
 
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