Originally Posted by mikecomputing

* Does it take good photos inhouse and out (no I don't talk bout mpix, most people dont know what mpix or ISO is about, what they can see is the quality of the pictures they take. And many mobile is crap in this area and people will not buy if testers give Jolla phone bad points in this area). I mean can it replace your compact camera? This days most people don't want to have both an phone and an compact camera. Not even people who cares a purse.

Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic

Also, I wonder how Canonical could make an ultra-high-end for what, €680, whereas Jolla struggles to design a barely mid-end for €400. If I didn't preorder the Jolla already, that Ubuntu device was a real thing, and Canonical didn't suffer so much of the NIH-syndrome, I'd buy one.

Originally Posted by juiceme

Well unfortunately I have to disagree with you here.

Most of the off-the-street people have trouble telling a bad image from a good one, unless there is excessive blurring due to camera shake or too slow shutter speed.
Most off-the street people have been brainwashed to belive that Mpix count is somehow the determinig quality metric of a digital camera, and hence they honestly belive it somehow matters.

How many times I have heard the amazed response from people when I have been using my SLR gear, when I tell them I've got 3MP sensor on the bulky one and 6MP on the fancy one, that they proudly show me their compacts or cameraphones and claim that those are superior as they have 8MP or 12MP sensors...
And poor me, taking pictures with just 3MP sensor, with too many fixed-focal length glassware of f1.4 and f2.0...
And don't even get me talking about film... You know what that is?

Originally Posted by MartinK

IIRC the Meizu & Xiaomi devices do have impressive specs for the price-point but I think there were some QA/build quality issues.

Originally Posted by juiceme

No, they did not make it, and they could not have made it no matter what happens.
The whole Ubuntu Edge thing was just a marketing trick, with the goal set so that it was not possible to achieve in that timeframe. I just wonder what excuses they would have invented in the extraordinary case they actually got enough fools to reach the goal.

I repeat, it was the purest and cleanest waporvare you can get, it was never going to happen at that price point.

So I tried to overlook the fact that Canonical is pitching a phone case. A prototype phone case at that. SoC/CPU? Not decided. Screen? Not selected. According to what they have said about what they haven't selected yet it seems they have only a dream for a phone that they want to deliver in April and be to phones what an F-1 car is to a normal sports car. That's unrealistic, to say the least. I have been trying to hold suspension of belief in hopes they have a hardware partner in the wings and draft / engineering boards kicking around with their intended hardware .. the more they speak about it, the less I'm confident that's the (excuse the pun) case. Yet they keep talking about features as if they are actually there. It gets awful close to false advertising in my eyes, but I get that they are trying to raise excitement. Is that the right way to do it?

Originally Posted by mahead

I'm interested, do you know how Jolla's people are shared between Finland and Hong Kong? Also, I would believe wages are in Hong Kong higher than on "traditional" China.

Originally Posted by juiceme

No, they did not make it, and they could not have made it no matter what happens.
The whole Ubuntu Edge thing was just a marketing trick, with the goal set so that it was not possible to achieve in that timeframe. I just wonder what excuses they would have invented in the extraordinary case they actually got enough fools to reach the goal.

I repeat, it was the purest and cleanest waporvare you can get, it was never going to happen at that price point.