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2015-07-01
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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#342
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are we abandoned by jolla? no more info before release..?
plz jolla. ubdate your blog asap we want to be close to process. Dont ignore the funders...
Tip of the day...
https://www.giveffect.com/crowdfundi...practice-guide
The Game Plan:
Commit
Win First Followers
Build Dialogue
Spiral Out: Keep the conversation going, will be easier to garner momentum
Tell the story
Listen: Feedback is great mechanism
Meet the press: each press have interesting stories
Finish Strong
Anyways...Lekku is on fire!
Juha Paakkari And the rest, watch and learn! 
darkestmind on June 25, 2015...
Will there be some kind of DRM agreement or can we look forward for videos of Jolla tablet? =)
Iekku Pylkkä on July 1, 2015 at 7:37 am
Developers will get early access to SW releases and they will have a developer device, therefore they need to sign NDA (Non-disclosure agreement).
Last edited by Dave999; 2015-07-01 at 16:38.
plz jolla. ubdate your blog asap we want to be close to process. Dont ignore the funders...
Tip of the day...
https://www.giveffect.com/crowdfundi...practice-guide
The Game Plan:
Commit
Win First Followers
Build Dialogue
Spiral Out: Keep the conversation going, will be easier to garner momentum
Tell the story
Listen: Feedback is great mechanism
Meet the press: each press have interesting stories
Finish Strong
Anyways...Lekku is on fire!
Juha Paakkari And the rest, watch and learn! darkestmind on June 25, 2015...
Will there be some kind of DRM agreement or can we look forward for videos of Jolla tablet? =)
Iekku Pylkkä on July 1, 2015 at 7:37 am
Developers will get early access to SW releases and they will have a developer device, therefore they need to sign NDA (Non-disclosure agreement).
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2015-07-01
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
Bluefoot, are you by chance based in Helsinki or Tampere area in Finland?
Excellent example of this was when Jolla's own stskeeps (the guy responsible for libhybris, which UT also employs) took issue with incomplete source (actually just mislabelled parts of source) being released for the Aquaris E4.5 in a blog post and post to the dev list. The developers responded and said they'd look into it immediately. They found the headers were incorrect (rather than Mediatek / bQ removing or obfuscating bits of the source) and released a correctly labelled version of the source within days. Granted you can't see the development process for OEMs' work, though you frequently can test their internal builds which are often pushed to the main repos. They're as transparent as it gets.
My problem with your posts (and why I don't answer them as often) is that you often get a lot of things right but also horribly wrong many times - and explaining all those facets can be quite time-consuming for me, that I'd rather spend with my family in the evening instead of explaining.
I don't think you get things wrong from point of view of analysis - you seem quite capable in that area, but that you don't have all the data needed to do a full analysis and have a full understanding.
Consider this post a voucher for a few free beverages with me if I'm in same town as you at some point and let's talk about mobile business in general.
EDIT: And if you're way too far out of the way for this ever being a likelihood, come talk to me on IRC, irc.freenode.net, nickname "Stskeeps"
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2015-07-01
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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I want to listen in on that conversion. Please bring a web cam. I wants to reach full understanding. Information is key...
55 days to tablet shipment.
Last edited by Dave999; 2015-07-02 at 06:25.
55 days to tablet shipment.
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2015-07-02
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Indeed. Key word is indemnification: whom are those businesses to blame if they suffer damage when a security weakness is found.
You don't know much about business, do you? ;-)
Most businesses do not trust anything "open-sorce" by default. Most businesses prefer other businesses supplying their solutions, including security. Most businesses' security implementation is closed source.
Another reason to go proprietary is when they want a special option to do XYZ (and the bigger the more of a mess is their internal structure and more often they need these 'special' options), and cannot wait for an open-sourced volunteer.
Look towards US, especially in the government and financial sector and you'll find plenty of examples.
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2015-07-02
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@ Israel
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#346
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
And maybe if you already here and you talk on matter, you would enlighten us all? Because currently i see "you don't understand everything, but i don't want to explain it"
Bluefoot, are you by chance based in Helsinki or Tampere area in Finland?
My problem with your posts (and why I don't answer them as often) is that you often get a lot of things right but also horribly wrong many times - and explaining all those facets can be quite time-consuming for me, that I'd rather spend with my family in the evening instead of explaining.
I don't think you get things wrong from point of view of analysis - you seem quite capable in that area, but that you don't have all the data needed to do a full analysis and have a full understanding.
Consider this post a voucher for a few free beverages with me if I'm in same town as you at some point and let's talk about mobile business in general.
EDIT: And if you're way too far out of the way for this ever being a likelihood, come talk to me on IRC, irc.freenode.net, nickname "Stskeeps"
Edit:
As i understand explaining over IRC or even personal meeting can consume not less time while again, most of people here would be clueless(if you really can add som clearance). Otherwise it's one of the most common Internet answers " I do not have time, I don't want, I'm above it" together with "you are wrong, you don't get everything, there are things you don't know", while it's "valid point", those answers have no argument and any info and if a person especially popular and respectful( and you are, you are excellent dev and respectful maemo member), everyone one would just "wow, put likes, thanks". But just to be clear, if I would do something like that in all arguments in this thread(and it 'm OK of being not that popular here
) and tell people, "while you all have some valid points, you are still so wrong and Jolla is doing it wrong, but I have no time to explain it, if you want facts and info you can come over here to....Israel for beer and I would love to tell you everything and explain why", what if I use this in my argument?
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2015-07-02
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Originally Posted by ZogG
Awesome, always wanted to visit Israel, be there in a sec
come over here to....Israel for beer and I would love to tell you everything and explain why
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2015-07-02
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#348
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
How do you pronounce your nick, is is "Saint Skeeps" or "S T S Keeps" or another way I haven't thought of? (and don't just say the latter, I really want to know
nickname "Stskeeps"
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2015-07-02
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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I could also educate jolla in how to work with crowdfunding. since most of leadership comes from nokia, a big corporation mostly working behind closed doors, they get it right sometimes but often miss crucial parts.
Last edited by Dave999; 2015-07-02 at 07:54.
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Last edited by Dave999; 2015-07-02 at 07:54.
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2015-07-02
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@ London
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Originally Posted by Dave999
What's most disappointing is that in the wake of the debacle of the Jolla phone's original release, Jolla claimed that they had learned a lot of lessons, particularly concerning communication about the product launch. And now it seems they have forgotten all those lessons.
i the get it right sometimes but often niss crucial parts.
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