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2010-08-15
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#52
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Originally Posted by bxbomber
Your probably right considering you haven't seen the N9 either.
Either the other manfactures are really good at keeping the meego leaks or they are taking a wait and see approach with meego.
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2010-08-15
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#53
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Originally Posted by attila77
Too bad that strict policy didn't include the just prior Maemo device.
Okay, as much as we're used to yell Nokia-abandonware, Qt had and still has a very strict policy about that.
See these platforms (note the S60 ones). Those platform are guaranteed to be supported in the next version, with a worst case deprecation in the release after that (so in the very worst case scenario, the very oldest S60 3rd FP1 can drop out in Qt 4.8, which would be around 2011Q4, 2012Q1). And that's 2007-8 hardware officially supported till 2012 as a WORST case scenario.
Yes, that ship has already sailed. Diablo never was an official Qt platform, sadly (it didn't even get the 4.6 update yet). Now, the good part is that Qt (and QtMobility) are *fully* GPL, so there is absolutely nothing preventing anyone from backporting it to Diablo. Ditto for 4.7, 4.8, etc (this also applies to S60 should it one day lose official support).
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2010-08-15
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#54
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Originally Posted by gerbick
When nobody backports a fully open library, you can be pretty sure that means there's not much, if any, demand for it anyway.
Nobody will. We both know that.Yes, that ship has already sailed. Diablo never was an official Qt platform, sadly (it didn't even get the 4.6 update yet). Now, the good part is that Qt (and QtMobility) are *fully* GPL, so there is absolutely nothing preventing anyone from backporting it to Diablo. Ditto for 4.7, 4.8, etc (this also applies to S60 should it one day lose official support).
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2010-08-15
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Originally Posted by jjx
I don't think nobody has ever wanted to buy a rapidly set aside piece of upgradeable equipment. The moniker "pocket computer" is becoming more of a misnomer.
When nobody backports a fully open library, you can be pretty sure that means there's not much, if any, demand for it anyway.
The support not being there isn't dependent on demand; the N810 owners are friggin' starving for stuff. Nobody just has taken it upon themselves to do so.
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2010-08-15
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#56
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Originally Posted by gerbick
That just prior Maemo device was released way before Nokia bought Qt.
Too bad that strict policy didn't include the just prior Maemo device.
2012 isn't that far around the corner, 16 months.
Nobody will. We both know that.
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2010-08-16
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#57
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Originally Posted by gerbick
(I sympathise; my housemate has an N810, and it sits on a shelf getting dusty and being useless. It doesn't even work properly any more; somehow everything on it runs stupidly slowly. Neither of us cares enough to reflash it.)
I don't think nobody has ever wanted to buy a rapidly set aside piece of upgradeable equipment. The moniker "pocket computer" is becoming more of a misnomer.
The support not being there isn't dependent on demand; the N810 owners are friggin' starving for stuff. Nobody just has taken it upon themselves to do so.
But in general, N810 owners are free to backport Qt if they care. It's probably not very hard, given Qt if fully GPL and runs on more modest devices. If nobody is bothering, then either they don't really care (despite what they say), or all the N810 owners with relevant skills don't care.
Here's an ecomomics 101 analogy: "Demand" is when people not only want something, but are willing to actually put something in to getting it (usually money, but not always). Merely wanting doesn't count as demand.
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2010-08-18
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#58
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Originally Posted by gerbick
LG dropped/canceled their Meego phone...
Handsets, Nokia and LG are known so far, their list of "partners" is quite long, but unconfirmed on if they'll be handset developers. "Devices" included auto manufacturers like GM and BMW, there will be some auto industry usage. There's also been a few tablets shown, but I couldn't remember their names - mostly Chinese companies.
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2010-08-18
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#59
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1.- Do you belive in Nokia?
Yes believed once but post the meego anouncement, that declined
2.- Do you belive in Meego?
I have my doubts on believing why meego would not go the maemo way
3.- Do you really think Nokia will be supporting Meego? or Meego will be the new forgotten Maemo?
Nokia support....Is there one?
4.- Does Nokia even matter anymore?
Not to me
Yes believed once but post the meego anouncement, that declined
2.- Do you belive in Meego?
I have my doubts on believing why meego would not go the maemo way
3.- Do you really think Nokia will be supporting Meego? or Meego will be the new forgotten Maemo?
Nokia support....Is there one?
4.- Does Nokia even matter anymore?
Not to me
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2010-08-18
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#60
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Nokia basically torpedoed any further maemo4 activity when they handed out free n900 to attendees of their dev conference. To bad they then torpedoed maemo5.
Its such a SHAME, isn't it ?. So Nokia released the most advanced OS in Maemo but could not just polish it up a bit, fix basic bugs (audio stutter, phone UI freeze to name but a few) and add basic competitive features (potrait mode, MMS, working maps etc). At a time when iPhone OS was widely seen as constrained and Android struggling with teething issues, they had a chance to change the direction of the game and snatch back their crown but they fumbled it. No other phone could boast of the level of fidelity to a desktop computer that the N900 had nor its excellent messaging integration - skype et al. Yet they will not focus but rather ran to the fabled chip maker Intel for comfort. No confidence in themselves so why should I have it in them. Nokia is not dumb and did it get so far by being so hence my conclusion is that they are probably disillusioned. They seem to believe that the brand NOKIA word will cover all deficiences, not so; not in a world where a £99 budget Android phone by no less a a manufacturer than LG offers a better user experience than their flagship.
For me, I still like Nokia, I believe they have an admirable balance of benevolence and inventiveness. Sadly the latter has been gravely non existent of late. How in this world is google releasing major revisions of Android at a faster pace than Nokia releases patches?. I will make sure Nokia earn my loyalty by not buying any product of theirs until a change is made for the better. I will not mourn their demise should they fail to change their ways.
No more No-care/kia for me, for now and the near future - and I say this with regret