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2010-10-24
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No, it was pretty clear from the start. MeeGo for N900 won't be supported by Nokia (pretty clearly stated, ie, no Nokia Care calls). Work on a MeeGo(.com) hardware adaptation for N900 was started.
Note to Nokia: quit stringing people along with moving deadlines, vague product definitions and propagating false hopes. You aren't fooling anyone. You are only hurting yourself.
I'll give you that there has been a lot of personality split between if MeeGo is end user (netbook) or a platform. In practice however, isn't Android a platform and what you actually use, is HTC Android (with google apps, which isn't part of Android)? Similar model with MeeGo.
Question: When are we going to see a schedule for a piece of software that I can use on my N900 without resorting to xterm or applying patches or dual booting, to make and receive calls without my phone crashing ?
It's called Maemo
Seriously though: Only way to not resort to 'dual booting' is by it being preinstalled on your phone or you getting in touch with flasher somehow.
You know what is really funny here is Nokia's attitude toward the N900 user base. Instead of looking at it as a huge, free testing force, they want to wash their hands of it. Have you noticed how Redhat uses Fedora ? That should be your model, not washing your hands of it. Guess what the quality of Meego 1.6 on your next device is going to be if you don't get it properly tested ????
I can make and receive calls on MeeGo/N900. That it comes out the speakers instead of ear piece is because the audio policy daemon simply isn't a 1.1 feature. So it goes.
This whole situation stinks and as long as things continue as they are, I don't see any change happening for the foreseeable future.
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by me2000
Silly me, but I thought that is the sort of thing the N900 hardware adaption team, with Nokia's blessing, would broach.
You know what is really funny here is Nokia's attitude toward the N900 user base. Instead of looking at it as a huge, free testing force, they want to wash their hands of it. Have you noticed how Redhat uses Fedora ? That should be your model, not washing your hands of it. Guess what the quality of Meego 1.6 on your next device is going to be if you don't get it properly tested ????
I guess the handset "platform" doesn't need that "feature". :rollseyes:
This whole situation stinks and as long as things continue as they are, I don't see any change happening for the foreseeable future.
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by ysss
well, their smartphone userbase doesn't probably even utilise couple percent of the capabilities. calls +smses plus camera and that is it. It is hard to say if smartphone features will break to amongst Joe Averages.
You're right. But...
I'll get f'ed for saying this, but I think Nokia's 'smartphone userbase' is not that relevant. Why? Because they're more likely to buy Nokia's flagship models (smartphone range) because they're "Nokia's flagship"; NOT because of the smartphone capabilities.
Smartphone (last season, Nokia's prime): good camera w/ mms/3g call capability, some email, some browsing, some apps.
Current smartphone: past gen capabilities PLUS: great email, great browsing, hectic apps ecosystem.
I'd say N97 still hasn't made the full transition. (OK, N8 is a new ballgame, we'll wait and see its numbers).
Originally Posted by ysss
what do you mean when you talk about embedding something to the os?
You're saying that apps like office file viewer/editors should be embedded into the OS?
Credit card processors (like Square) should be embedded too?
Come on.
You may utterly hate their restrictive practices or blatant commercialism or how freely inane junks creep into the appstores; but you can't deny that it's been such a sheer force in building a vibrant and productive developer community.
and mobile devices are compromises, so there must be flaws. always.
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2010-10-24
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from the time i got a maemo device.......i learned how to hack.....hack.....screw the device.......bring it back to usable state.....and hack again.....i believe making the device on your own design and function by tweaking the system is what maemo stands for.....
and yes!!! meego will be like that!
and yes!!! meego will be like that!
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N900: 1000/1150mhz; sampling_rate 15; up_threshold 150000;
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N900: 1000/1150mhz; sampling_rate 15; up_threshold 150000;
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
So not even the "platform" is complete.It does need that feature, hence why it's planned for 1.2.
So, Meego 1.2, to be released in April, 2011, will be installable by a common user and runnable without dual booting, on an N900 and suitable for everyday usage by a normal user ?
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2010-10-24
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Did you see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php
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tablets-dev.nokia.com Software Authentication
In order to download the software, you will need to provide your device's 15-digit IMEI number and accept the end-user software agreement. If you agree, you have 1 hours of time to download the software after which the acceptance must be renewed.
The IMEI number is printed on the device's packaging and on the label underneath the device's battery, and displayed in the Settings application (field IMEI in Settings > General > About Product). To find the identification number printed on your device, do the following:
Switch the device off.
Disconnect the charger from the device.
Open the battery cover and remove the battery.
The identification number is printed on the label underneath the battery. The IMEI number is directly below the 2D barcode and the "MADE IN ..." text. It consist of 15 characters which is separated by / (slash) characters. Only the numbers need to be entered in the field below.
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Seems pretty open to me !
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2010-10-24
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#108
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Originally Posted by me2000
Will you pay attention and stop being an ***? I understand you're looking for a target to rage at, but pretty much everything you've attacked the MeeGo project for is either baseless, irrelevant, or just reveals that you are simply reacting without investigating.
So not even the "platform" is complete.
So, Meego 1.2, to be released in April, 2011, will be installable by a common user and runnable without dual booting, on an N900 and suitable for everyday usage by a normal user ?
It will be functional, it will be usable. If someone wanted to they could apply the tweaks, software, and improvement to turn it into a real end-user OS instead of a reference target.
Stop bashing people and their efforts because you can't be bothered to understand what's going on.
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by me2000
The 1.1 platform isn't complete for basing a proper handset product on. We can all see that.
So not even the "platform" is complete.
So, Meego 1.2, to be released in April, 2011, will be installable by a common user and runnable without dual booting, on an N900 and suitable for everyday usage by a normal user ?
What is hoped, at least for me, is that MeeGo(.com!!) 1.2 is a solid enough platform to take and build a proper handset product of.
I don't want to go into promises of what MeeGo.com 1.2 is like, you can go see that during development and what is already in the bugs.meego.com featurezilla.
What is on -my- (for the N900 port) table of what I hope to see for N900 in accomplishments for 1.2, relevant to this topic, so far, on an entirely technical manner:
OMAP3 GLES implementation must provide hardware vsync
eMMC as installation target for MeeGo N900
uImage target support in kernel-n900
ext2 or FAT partition in N900 image for uImage placement
Open BME IPC implementation and contextkit plugin
OMAP3 PM and DVFS
OMAP3 DSP support and base image
OMAP3 DSP accelerated Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis
ARMv7 hard floating point port of MeeGo
OMAP3 DSP accelerated JPEG encode/decode
Ability to include OMAP3 DSP h264, m4v, mpeg4, aac, vpp codecs into filesystem
NEON optimized Vorbis and FLAC
NEON optimized Qt, detectable on runtime
WL1251 calibration and set-up of MAC address from CAL
Bigger image size for N900 images (4gb)
Release engineering: easy install of MeeGo PR1.3 u-boot for dual-boot purposes
What I -hope- for MeeGo 1.2 is that we'll have a feature complete (please note that when people say 'feature complete', it means that these were the features indicated for this specific release, you can't say that an application is 'perfect' cos there'll always be features that aren't there and may arrive in the future) handset UX with reference applications.
My hope is that someone takes that MeeGo 1.2 + hardware adaptation, mixes it up with usual nice things like MP3 codecs and other things, publishes it (as they legally can) a user-suitable
installation with community apps.
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by me2000
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1...t-armv7l-n900/
I love this:
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tablets-dev.nokia.com Software Authentication
In order to download the software, you will need to provide your device's 15-digit IMEI number and accept the end-user software agreement. If you agree, you have 1 hours of time to download the software after which the acceptance must be renewed.
The IMEI number is printed on the device's packaging and on the label underneath the device's battery, and displayed in the Settings application (field IMEI in Settings > General > About Product). To find the identification number printed on your device, do the following:
Switch the device off.
Disconnect the charger from the device.
Open the battery cover and remove the battery.
The identification number is printed on the label underneath the battery. The IMEI number is directly below the 2D barcode and the "MADE IN ..." text. It consist of 15 characters which is separated by / (slash) characters. Only the numbers need to be entered in the field below.
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Seems pretty open to me !
Last I checked, going there wasn't necessary anymore. Stop being a tool.
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I'll give you that there has been a lot of personality split between if MeeGo is end user (netbook) or a platform. In practice however, isn't Android a platform and what you actually use, is HTC Android (with google apps, which isn't part of Android)? Similar model with MeeGo.
Seriously though: Only way to not resort to 'dual booting' is by it being preinstalled on your phone or you getting in touch with flasher somehow.
I can make and receive calls on MeeGo/N900. That it comes out the speakers instead of ear piece is because the audio policy daemon simply isn't a 1.1 feature. So it goes.
As you go on to other communities, remember to build them around politeness, respect, trust and humility. Be wary of poisonous people and deal with them before they end up killing your community.. Seen it happen to too many IRC channels, forums, open source projects.