Originally Posted by abubakar

so apple, with their insane $96 billion cash should send all their salesmen to these kind of awesome trips in recognition of making iphone the best single selling phone in the universe ... that is IF the salesmen made it happen

Originally Posted by abubakar

check this youtube vid posted 2 days back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S3TU...5aFAAAAAAAABAA

Nokia rewards one of the top salesmen. They really are counting on salesmen more rather then innovating in the right direction.

"Do you know Joe? He's T-Mobile's most enthusiastic Windows Phone sales rep. As a "thank you" for his excitement about our new Nokia Lumia line, we took him with us to CES in Las Vegas for a week of VIP treatment.

From Playboy parties to Ferraris to helicopter rides to the Grand Canyon, let's just say, what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas."

I dont know how much was spent on this trip, I'm happy for this guy who got to have fun, but about nokia, they should be paying all those meego/mer hackers to steer the company in the right direction.

Originally Posted by abubakar

I think nokia should just come up with more harmattan devices. Thats not against their agreement with microsoft that they cant make harmattan devcies right? Nokia owns the harmattan code, they should just quietly work on it and surprise the world, shake the ground beneath everybody, only nokia can do it. Flood the market with so many varieties of harmattan devices, big small, with/without keyboards, single core, multi core, 256mb to 1gb ram products, 3" to 4.5" devices. Just like htc, OR just like nokia has done with symbian in the past, they had all kinds of funny looking funny shaped symbian devices, devices that you could look at n think "is that a phone, that cant be a phone".

Originally Posted by umo120

Actually, one of the things in the agreement is that Windows Phone will be Nokia's "primary smartphone platform", so there probably is some sort of legal bind, although I would really like to see Microsoft suing Nokia because Harmattan consistently outsells WP platform.

Originally Posted by umo120

But I think the bigger problem is that Elop's actions are pushing Nokia to the point where they will not be able to support own platform due to lack of expertize, people and services even if they wanted to.

Originally Posted by misterc

there is plenty of leeway for N10 / N960, me thinks

Originally Posted by patlak

But, but......Harmattan/Qt is not part of MS's ecosystem.

Originally Posted by vitaminj

The edge of the phone is a lot lower profile than the N97/E7 though, so you have to grip it differently as there's less to push, and less to hold when it snaps shut. But if I wanted to, in a roundabout way, I'm not legally allowed to argue with you, so let's leave that there.

But the OS wasn't finished? I get the feeling that Harmattan wasn't always Ahtisaari's Swipe-fest though - did they have some intermediary thing that could have been ready earlier? Was it MeeGo API compliant, and all in QT? Would you really have wanted three Maemo OSes live in the community?

Originally Posted by patlak

I presume that the device and OS were ready for primetime. The little peak in Transformers 3 proves that it was a desperate measure of Elop to cancel a potential profit.

Originally Posted by vitaminj

But all us community device program people got the N950 a couple of months before the N9's launch. Harmattan was still very beta - they wouldn't have been able to launch something earlier in the year to the public unless there had been some do-over internally and they had Something Else ready beforehand, but decided to add Swipe/QML-apps/etc., having been given extra time.