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2015-11-23
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#191
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Originally Posted by marxian
Um... back then it stirred quite mixed reception when some wanted to keep this Maemo-only community-driven place with no strings attached to any company whatsoever. Some welcomed them but by all means, not all. Also, no company will make forum they cannot legally and otherwise control in any way their official site. However, they still were present here. Let's not twist the past into something that it was not just to make ourselves feel better or to some more wretched end.
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2015-11-23
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#192
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Originally Posted by billranton
Is it the same Style? I've got both at home (lucky me) and they look "completely" different.
Was there ever any evidence that the tablet was someone else's design? It's the same style as the phone. It always seemed more likely to me that they'd sold the design to someone in China to sell there, as a nifty way of getting some more money in to fund the thing.
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2015-11-23
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I cannot understand why we have to blame Jolla for mistakes, everybody knew from the very beginning their task was very difficult and in practice it was proved even more difficult. We supported Jolla by buying the phone and the tablet, and some of us contributed too.
There is a big problem with all those talented developers leaving the company, it is really sad.
There is a big problem with all those talented developers leaving the company, it is really sad.
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2015-11-23
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Originally Posted by pagis
Yes, I don't think many blame them for trying to do their thing, first succeeding with a phone and then failing with a tablet. But why could Jolla be honest toward us? Don't you think we diserved that? Even now we have no clue but speculation.
I cannot understand why we have to blame Jolla for mistakes, everybody knew from the very beginning their task was very difficult and in practice it was proved even more difficult. We supported Jolla by buying the phone and the tablet, and some of us contributed too.
There is a big problem with all those talented developers leaving the company, it is really sad.
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2015-11-23
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#195
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Originally Posted by billranton
Sure. Have a look for the Aigo x86 tablet.
Was there ever any evidence that the tablet was someone else's design?
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2015-11-23
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#196
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
You are scapegoating again, and also trying to claim that I am guilty of schadenfraude and have some agenda against Jolla, which is wrong. I am indifferent towards Jolla as a company, as I am indifferent to all for-profit enterprises. I have never suffered from the delusion that any business is my friend. I own several Nokia devices, and write software almost exclusively for those devices, but that does not mean I have ever felt any loyalty towards Nokia. I only do what I do because I enjoy it. I don't give a flying V for Nokia.
Um... back then it stirred quite mixed reception when some wanted to keep this Maemo-only community-driven place with no strings attached to any company whatsoever. Some welcomed them but by all means, not all. Also, no company will make forum they cannot legally and otherwise control in any way their official site. However, they still were present here. Let's not twist the past into something that it was not just to make ourselves feel better or to some more wretched end.
The only Jolla presence here has been a few employees posting infrequently in a personal capacity. Nothing that has been said here has had any effect on Jolla's sucess or failure. I doubt if any investors are even aware of this place.
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2015-11-23
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Originally Posted by strongm
From the comments.Well it does not say who designed it but:
Sure. Have a look for the Aigo x86 tablet.
https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-operations/
For your other question: it’s quite common nowadays for smaller device vendors operating in different markets to share some aspect of the product details, such as hardware design elements, to balance costs. This is what happened here too. Aigo is sold in mainland China, where the Jolla Tablet is not available, and thus certain elements have been shared.
As already stated here, Jolla Tablet is a lot different from a HW point of view. It has a significantly better fully laminated display, different USB connectors and censors. Also the color and material definitions are completely different, even though they might look the same. Just to mention a few things.
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2015-11-23
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Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt
This community is not homogeneous. People have various interests, and the makeup of this community has changed over time due to certain devices/platforms being discontinued and new devices/platforms arriving.
seriously OT, but i feel to do it:
Everyone here talking about opensource and really open project with TMO as important reference point...but on the other side, so much little interest about NEMO mobile thread. I really would like to know why you act in this way, please reply to me in that thread since i am feeling mind-fractured. just cant afford why call for a homemade cake and then no one is interested to contribute in his way in the process of cooking it.
Generally, if people choose not to contribute to something it's probably because:
- They don't have the time.
- They would rather spend their time doing something else.
1. is often the consequence of 2. Personally, I would rather spend time maintaining my own projects than contributing to NEMO. Also, I don't have much interest in the future of mobile, because it is clearly heading away from the idea that brought me to this community in the first place: the pocket computer. I have no interest in smartphones or tablets (as in the fondleslab tablets).
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2015-11-23
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Originally Posted by strongm
Is somehow possible that the Aigo x86 tablet is a copy of the design of the Jolla Tablet?
Sure. Have a look for the Aigo x86 tablet.
The Jolla tablet somehow follows the curved design of the phone...
Maybe once they saw Jolla's design, Aigo made an alternate version which is not that "sophisticated" regarding the used components.
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2015-11-23
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>has a significantly better fully laminated display
Sure - but that was one of the reasons for the delay. Jolla decided that they didn't like the original included display. It isn't that they designed in that 'significantly better fully laminated display' at the outset.
And different USB connectors? Oh, please that's hardly a design difference either.
Color and material definitions? Again, not a significant design difference.
The question was whether there was any evidence that the tablet was someone else's design. I'd say the evidence is pretty damning. Jolla themselves admit to at least sharing the design. And even so I suspect they were being economical with the truth.
And let's look at the practicalities. It would be much quicker and cheaper for Jolla to start with a reference design and modify it a bit than to design a tablet from scratch. Given their financing and primary focus on the OS, what do you think they would have done?
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Sure - but that was one of the reasons for the delay. Jolla decided that they didn't like the original included display. It isn't that they designed in that 'significantly better fully laminated display' at the outset.
And different USB connectors? Oh, please that's hardly a design difference either.
Color and material definitions? Again, not a significant design difference.
The question was whether there was any evidence that the tablet was someone else's design. I'd say the evidence is pretty damning. Jolla themselves admit to at least sharing the design. And even so I suspect they were being economical with the truth.
And let's look at the practicalities. It would be much quicker and cheaper for Jolla to start with a reference design and modify it a bit than to design a tablet from scratch. Given their financing and primary focus on the OS, what do you think they would have done?
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