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2014-03-12
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Originally Posted by Ozymandias
This is definitely related, thought wifi+4g, but then had once more switching from 3g to wlan, not 100% reproducible though
At one time I could trace the failure of the side-swipe to the wifi-connection. When I turned Wifi off, the swipe started working again. (That was before I started to turn Wifi off every time I leave the house.)
It might be something completely different that causes this, but that one time it seemed like it was because of the Wifi connection going haywire.
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2014-03-12
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#263
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Originally Posted by shallimus
Well, if it makes you feel better, I just found out that I will not get my Jolla phone until April 14 as my Swiss friend's travel plans have changed (He was supposed to visit me next week..) So maybe I should be happy as I will be postponing the lamenting about all the problems with having Jolla in US. Anyways, I was wondering. Assuming you are in Toronto Canada and are on Bell did you try Radio Switcher for Jolla. You might have right frequency to get LTE.
I have sympathy with your position. Jolla are totally ignoring my region too. However, due to my rational thought and not-so-rational feelings about what Jolla are trying to accomplish - and the lack of an alternative "next device" after my N9 - I overcame my sense of disappointment about Canada being ignored and am now firmly locked in a love/hate relationship with my Jolla device, and waiting for the update(s).
€400 is a lot of money, but if we put that to one side for a moment...
You're in the same boat as me. Jolla aren't going to be showing interest in Australia. You can be fairly certain that a Jolla popup store isn't suddenly going to appear on Pitt St or at the Bourke St Mall, so what would it take to persuade you to buy the device?
As others have noted: if we don't support them now, who will? Why even show interest at all?
Sincere question.
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2014-03-12
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#264
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Originally Posted by bockersjv
Yep, I can relate to this. I work in technology. I write code, among other things. I have demanding clients, and stuff not working can mean some serious earache. Of course, it's not the same setup - we here are consumers/hobbyists, not large corporations. However, management of expectations is critical to keeping people happy.
I feel your pain. I spat out my dummy a few pages back when the update moved to this week when all inference was that it would be in the first week of March. I had a rant because I care, and my Jolla stopped being useful as a phone when connection errors dominated my screen. I was told to "man up" and accused of "knowing nothing about software development". I am no developer but have managed many IT and Mobile projects and one key project management essential is to manage your users/customers expectations.
I take the liberty of assigning a very low value to any rant along the lines of "you know nothing of development!" prompted just by raising concerns & disappointment about late delivery or other issues which affect the product user. Stuff is late now and again - it happens - but it is certainly a valid reason for a client to be disappointed, doubly so if communication is poor.
Originally Posted by bockersjv
Yep, I feel that too, but I also still have faith, and my buyer's remorse is far outweighed by my excitement (still) at what we have already and what the future could hold.
Yes it seems churlish to complain about a delay when we all know how big Jolla is.
Originally Posted by bockersjv
Yes. We prefer to release croitical stuff on Wednesday night for Thursday morning - partly so there's time to address complaints before they fester over the weekend, and partly because Thursday is the traditional socialising (i.e. drinking) night in this marketplace (although I generally prefer to go home and sleep... unless someone else is paying for the beer
Another thing is releasing updates on a Friday, that is, and always has been a big no no in IT companies i have and do work for.
) so it's a chance to meet clients in a less formal environment to discuss issues, if that's something that would help.Of course: Jolla's clients are hobbyists and mournful Finns, so this doesn't necessarily apply to them.
Originally Posted by bockersjv
Ouch. I live in daily dread of dropping my too-damn-slippery Jolla. I think my ideal Other Half would have a big extra battery capability and a nice-feeling, grippy surface.
I do all this whilst trying to ignore and forget that I still have a crack in my screen and the bill to fix it is more than a 2nd hand Jolla
Originally Posted by bockersjv
Seems we are in a similar position: I'm on the verge of going back to my N9, but I know I will be sad to stop using all the things I love about Sailfish...
Currently using my N9 as daily phone along with N900 for work and they are both so slow in comparison to my working Jolla. I want it working again!
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2014-03-12
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#265
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Originally Posted by mscion
Frustrating to wait, but perhaps better to save your Jolla for after the next update, and save your sanity?
Well, if it makes you feel better, I just found out that I will not get my Jolla phone until April 14 as my Swiss friend's travel plans have changed (He was supposed to visit me next week..) So maybe I should be happy as I will be postponing the lamenting about all the problems with having Jolla in US.
Originally Posted by mscion
Thanks! You assume correctly that I'm in Canada. I know there's more than one Toronto, but the Ontario version is the only one I'm interested in being a resident of. I'm not on Bell, but Fido (i.e. Rogers). I've actually left Wind (a budget carrier using UMTS) in order to get my Jolla on the network, which is costing me 3 beers' worth of Canadian $ each month.
Anyways, I was wondering. Assuming you are in Toronto Canada and are on Bell did you try Radio Switcher for Jolla. You might have right frequency to get LTE.
I tried the radio switcher, and sure enough I get '4G', but the internet doesn't work. To be quite honest, I haven't mustered the energy to go looking into why that is yet. My understanding is that Rogers uses the same 2600MHz as Bell, and I get the '4G' so presumably it's simply a config issue somewhere rather than a radio problem.
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2014-03-12
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#267
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Originally Posted by Ozymandias
It's crazy (and depressing) that this is even a possibility, let alone a likely explanation. My Q to Jolla would be: what the holy hell does WiFi have to do with the side-swipe? And yet... your results with switching off WiFi speak for themselves.
At one time I could trace the failure of the side-swipe to the wifi-connection. When I turned Wifi off, the swipe started working again. (That was before I started to turn Wifi off every time I leave the house.).
I'll try switching off WiFi and report back.
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2014-03-12
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#268
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Obviously there was a reason why Nokia never announced update dates. Software can always get delayed. Anyway, the update should be worth the wait and I'd rather have a smooth update than a bricked device.
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2014-03-12
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Originally Posted by shallimus
To answer your question, your homescreen has to know about WiFi state to be able to present you with information about it. That's why they're related.
It's crazy (and depressing) that this is even a possibility, let alone a likely explanation. My Q to Jolla would be: what the holy hell does WiFi have to do with the side-swipe? And yet... your results with switching off WiFi speak for themselves.
As to why this is problematic, well, there's a combination of a few things going on. (YMMV, I'm summarising things from memory and I didn't actively work on this much myself)
Problem number one is that connectivity is a little more resource intensive than it needs to be right now. That's already fixed in the pending update. Problem number two is that peeking toggles the connection indicators on the homescreen, which causes a cascade of effects to mess around with touch interaction:
- peeking toggles the connection indicator on the homescreen
- this causes a bunch of synchronous dbus traffic, and disk writes
- this blocks the GUI thread of the homescreen for a little too long
- this causes evdev's kernel-side ring buffer to overflow, causing touch state to get lost in an undefined, bad place when the GUI thread finally does resume.
The situation should be improving with (near) future updates.
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2014-03-12
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#270
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Wasn't this update scheduled for 14th. Its not 14th yet so sit tight or create a countdown.
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As to questions about why would we support Jolla: well, in my case I live in a "supported" country (the best supported country is Finland so far, maybe Portugal soon), but I can still say that you kind of support these movements now or never. There are 3 main new things that came out recently: FF OS, Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish - I like the latter the most, hence I support it. Then again, 400€ won't put me in a financial problem right now.
Yes, I didn't say Tizen as they already have tons of funding behind them, so it doesn't really count. You can support that one when it's fully matured, if it ever does. Samsung has lots of money for not doing things properly for decades and continuing not doing so, so there you go ;-)