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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by Flandry
Well the reason is also the delay.. they need to concentrate on fixing what already is known. They 300 devices help beta testing what's in Extras Testing more than the N900 software itself (Nokia has enough internal testers and tools for that).
Heh funny bug report.
I think this is a bit strange given that they handed out 300 phones to (presumably) do beta testing. I guess their motive was dev/testing of 3rd-party apps, but it seems that having the Maemo distro thoroughly tested and debugged before release would be higher priority.
They also gave some devices earlier than the Summit to have some real life testing and that was useful.
The bug report was even funnier on the maemo-developers where I used as subject:
"There is a bug for that"
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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by eikido
This is very similar to the build used for the Maemo Summit. Not relevant anymore. The next stop for a release going public is most probably the sales release.
The Nokia N900 v1.2009.41.13 firmware update will be available soon on Nokia Software Updater
Internal builds are internal builds. Those having access to them for development and testing purposes know what's the deal with them. Discussing them out of context and in public is not very professional, if you allow me to say that.
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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by qgil
@Quim: What is the most recent internal build, then? And how close is it to sales release?
This is very similar to the build used for the Maemo Summit. Not relevant anymore. The next stop for a release going public is most probably the sales release.
Internal builds are internal builds. Those having access to them for development and testing purposes know what's the deal with them. Discussing them out of context and in public is not very professional, if you allow me to say that.
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2009-10-22
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I'm guessing latest internal is... 2009.43.x, where is x is a number of your choice (probably around, what, 10?)!
Note; this is all based on my astonishing deductive skills and nothing else.
Last edited by frals; 2009-10-22 at 17:03.
Note; this is all based on my astonishing deductive skills and nothing else.
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Problem with fMMS? Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/
After that you'll see fmms.log in filemanager or when you connect the device to your desktop as a mass storage device.
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Problem with fMMS? Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/
After that you'll see fmms.log in filemanager or when you connect the device to your desktop as a mass storage device.
E-mail the log to me, if you don't have the email address, drop me a PM. Thanks!
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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by anidel
It's unfortunate that Nokia is choosing to ignore the community people with devices. That's a really strong testing base that they're giving up.
Well the reason is also the delay.. they need to concentrate on fixing what already is known. They 300 devices help beta testing what's in Extras Testing more than the N900 software itself
Originally Posted by anidel
Nokia never has enough testers, mostly because their internal ones don't even come close to using Maemo like we do, so they miss most of the bugs.
(Nokia has enough internal testers and tools for that).
Not like it matters anyway, since management and the UI team seem to be doing an amazing job of using the spec like some sort of massive sledgehammer to smash out anything approaching rational thinking.
Man Nokia's process is broken. . . .
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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by sunwong
Maybe you missed the part where he said that it was unprofessional to talk about internal builds in public? Pretty sure he's not answering.
@Quim: What is the most recent internal build, then? And how close is it to sales release?
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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
If I may approach this with a degree of councilary diplomacy...
It's unfortunate that Nokia is choosing to ignore the community people with devices. That's a really strong testing base that they're giving up.
Nokia never has enough testers, mostly because their internal ones don't even come close to using Maemo like we do, so they miss most of the bugs.
Not like it matters anyway, since management and the UI team seem to be doing an amazing job of using the spec like some sort of massive sledgehammer to smash out anything approaching rational thinking.
Man Nokia's process is broken. . . .
While I disagree with the word "ignoring", I agree with your root sentiments. I was frustrated that we were provided full sales packs with no apparent means of reporting certain issues with enough time for them to be corrected prior to shipping (hardware, sales packaging, etc). BUT-- if you saw on the community mailing list, Quim said that reports outside the scope of maemo.org Bugzilla can be sent to him for last-mile delivery. Not sure if he's prepared for the can of worms, but it was a decent gesture.
It would have been nice to have been offered access to interim firmware builds as well, with the stipulation that we show some caution in casual conversations, but it is what it is. Or isn't.
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2009-10-22
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Originally Posted by Texrat
In before you get shot: It's the maemo.org Bugzilla...
[...]Maemo Bugzilla
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2009-10-22
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groooann....
I have enough exhausting pedantic episodes with my youngest (anal retentive) son, thanks.
I have enough exhausting pedantic episodes with my youngest (anal retentive) son, thanks.
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