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2010-07-06
, 21:08
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@ Helsinki
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Originally Posted by Descalzo
How is that a rebuttal to his point? There is currently regulation, and you claim you don't encounter unofficial monopolies. Who says it would stay that way?
I don't know, man. The only monopolies I deal with on a day-to-day basis are specifically imposed on me by the government. My water, power, and garbage collection are all imposed by the city government. The USPS is protected by the US gov't.
It's peculiar we're discussing this here. Even though I don't hate them, Microsoft was a practical monopoly for almost two decades and caused immense harm just by forcing everyone to adapt to them. Linux wouldn't be a competitor if it weren't for the countless hours people wasted reverse engineering file formats.
Just because even monopolies will eventually fail doesn't mean they can't cause a lot of harm before that.
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2010-07-06
, 21:23
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@ Arctic cold of northern .fi
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#23
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Reading this thread certainly has made me feel old, even if I'm still on my early thirties.
If/when the electronic press is too censored, will print come back with a vengeance?
Print never really went anywhere as far as I'm concerned. On-line I spend 90%+ of my time on gadgets, entertaiment and porn. The last one on that list is the only one I could think anybody even trying to censor. The stuff that might be censored (politics, economics, science, etc) I still get almost exclusively from 'old media', and the on-line stuff is usually deriatives from old media (blogs commenting on stuff on old media etc).
Personally I still see on-line media as people who couldn't make it in the old media. Becoming a luddite, I guess.
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2010-07-06
, 21:24
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@ North Texas, USA
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#24
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I want to Thank jnwi's last post 
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2010-07-06
, 22:02
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can we say this....
George Carlin's 7 Dirty Words
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Moderator edit: no, but you can link to it.
Last edited by Texrat; 2010-07-06 at 22:50.
George Carlin's 7 Dirty Words
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Moderator edit: no, but you can link to it.
Last edited by Texrat; 2010-07-06 at 22:50.
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2010-07-06
, 22:32
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@ Victoria BC Canada
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#26
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Originally Posted by ed00
I miss George......
can we say this....
George Carlin's 7 Dirty Words
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Last edited by Texrat; 2010-07-06 at 22:51. Reason: sorry guys, there are some forum rules...
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2010-07-06
, 22:59
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@ Illinois, USA
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#27
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Originally Posted by jnwi
People have ~20 years before they become mainstream consumers. I'd say thats plenty of time to learn enough everything they need to know to get started. In the US today though, the average college student today is an idiot. The fact that we even tolerate people being able to drop out of high school is abhorrent the more I think about it.
Regardless of whether anyone is an idiot, I don't believe people have the time to be knowledgeable about the vast majority of things they buy. People underestimate what luxury it is to go buy absolutely anything from a store while remaining fairly confident that you're not making a huge mistake. Modern society depends on this efficiency to some extent.
I am a (recently decided) minarchist libertarian, and I struggle to compromise that belief with the absolute need for people to be educated in order for the world to work.
Originally Posted by jnwi
This is the other end of my "Education" rant. Properly educated leaders would know that anticompetitive practices will lose them money, sometimes in the short run, but always in the long run.
Even though I don't hate them, Microsoft was a practical monopoly for almost two decades and caused immense harm just by forcing everyone to adapt to them. Linux wouldn't be a competitor if it weren't for the countless hours people wasted reverse engineering file formats.
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2010-07-06
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mmurfin87, not every person is above average intelligence. Not every person has a good grasp of abstract thinking. Etc etc. I'd like to think education is the solution, too, but it isn't for everyone. Some people will just not get the concepts we're discussing. Even the simple ones. And I know too many, personally...
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2010-07-06
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Thank you Moderator
...well you see thats why we having this conversation in first place. Which is shouldn't be at all because its a common sense that people should be free to express there thought. I think thats main problem in society that people always compromise and not honest then they pay big price for that. And thanks to people like George Carlin who put piece of mind in peoples brain and Nikola Tesla to whom world should be thank for all what he did for humanity and who died in his hotel room poor and later forgotten. And barely anybody know who even created wireless technology and many other who really made a change in this world. But somehow we all know who Edison was. I wonder why ... And about this guy Grigori Perelman who refuse to accept million dollar prize from so call honorable scientific society (whatever crap that is) for what he just believe in. This guy solve bigest problem in mathematic The Poincaré Conjecture that nobody could in 100 years. Thats a lot of power and hes truly a free man. Nobody questions anymore people accept like a zombie whatever happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfkw...eature=related
...well you see thats why we having this conversation in first place. Which is shouldn't be at all because its a common sense that people should be free to express there thought. I think thats main problem in society that people always compromise and not honest then they pay big price for that. And thanks to people like George Carlin who put piece of mind in peoples brain and Nikola Tesla to whom world should be thank for all what he did for humanity and who died in his hotel room poor and later forgotten. And barely anybody know who even created wireless technology and many other who really made a change in this world. But somehow we all know who Edison was. I wonder why ...
And about this guy Grigori Perelman who refuse to accept million dollar prize from so call honorable scientific society (whatever crap that is) for what he just believe in. This guy solve bigest problem in mathematic The Poincaré Conjecture that nobody could in 100 years. Thats a lot of power and hes truly a free man. Nobody questions anymore people accept like a zombie whatever happening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfkw...eature=related
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2010-07-07
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@ Po' Bo'. PA
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#30
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Originally Posted by jnwi
Thwer isn't a "Thanks" button so I have got to post...
Huh, even you two are already almost agreeing with each other. The market WILL decide what free speech is, but it also implies that we may not like the result. There's really no reason to believe the average person will remain vigilant enough about every transaction they make.
It is a gaping flaw in the US constitution that corporations can restrict free speech through their actions, but on the other hand regulation would probably be too difficult and oppressive in itself. Can we read managers' minds and figure out why they didn't hire someone, and do we want trolls to start appealing their bans in the courts?
Ultimately, we just need a population that understands and supports free speech. By the time you need technological countermeasures, you'd better be using them to plan a revolution.
Right on!
In regard to this and your previous post.
Then there's the problem that just a few people who don't care could ruin it for everyone else (for example the environment).