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2007-07-13
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I'm not sure you could hook up a laptop usb 3g modem to a net tablet, even with the host mod, because I'm pretty sure you need drivers for those, especially if you are running linux, maemo of all things, because you know theres no way the drivers are included and they probably don't exist, but I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure that the 770 and 800 talk to the phone through the Bluetooth DUN (Dial Up Networking) profile, so theoretically any cell phone that supports DUN (do a google for the phone model, a place called phonescoop nearly always has these details) could be used to tether to the tablet. Of course theres always the nasty chance that the carrier might disable the DUN profile on the phone if you dont have a 'tethering' plan, or might catch you for violation of the TOS if you dont have the plan but tether anyway and use a suspicious amount of data for a 'normal' cellphone. I'm pretty sure AT&T has a 'normal phone' data plan, a 'pda phone' data plan, and a laptop connect plan. I'm pretty sure one of the later two is required for tethering. What I'm trying to figure out, is that if I buy a laptop connect card from ATT and pay the $60/mo for unlimited data (backstory for this crazy behavior is where I go to college our network is crap and constantly tcp flooded to death by the idiots using bt and not configuring it right, to the point I cant even play a game of starcraft) and then a normal cellphone with 3g, do I get unlimited data on my cell so that I can tether my 770, or do they expect me to buy a seperate plan for the phone since it has a different sim?
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2007-07-13
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it is not entirely impossible if USB Host mode is working.
The additional power required for the transmitter is another issue.
See my previous posts with links to research.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=5597
The additional power required for the transmitter is another issue.
See my previous posts with links to research.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=5597
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2007-07-13
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Originally Posted by RogerS
It's ironic and irritating to see the "capitalist" US more restricted marketwise than the "socialist" EU.
Um, the one-syllable word for this is "greed."
If competition brings the price down to the $20-$25 range elsewhere, then the prices here aren't based on cost but on the ability to exploit obstacles to competition.
In one of the articles I read this week, the author compared the situation to TV or the internet -- what if you could only watch "American Idol" on an RCA TV? Or only get to Yahoo on a Sony laptop? That's the kind of situation the telecoms have arranged for themselves here.
I'm not advocating revolution and nationalization of the telecoms. Not saying Apple doesn't play the same game with iPods and iTunes. Just expressing my disgust. "Free speech" and "free markets" go hand in hand -- if you want true capitalism you have to have transparency and frictionless information.
Roger
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2007-07-14
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There are 5 cities in the US with city-wide wifi deployed with pricing of $20 usd/month. Speeds they advertise are 'up to 1mbps'. I am currently paying for two dsl lines (one home, one siblings' business). The business will be relocating at the end of the month so i'll be canceling that service and subscribe to Philadelphia's wifi service to see how well it lives up to with my little 770 by early august.
More information about it in the news is here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nch-nears.html
More information on the pricing, coverage, and service here:
https://home.feather.net/philadelphia/plans_html
it's the 'next-best' thing than sitting around for the US to migrate over to hsdpa for us data-plan users.
More information about it in the news is here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nch-nears.html
More information on the pricing, coverage, and service here:
https://home.feather.net/philadelphia/plans_html
it's the 'next-best' thing than sitting around for the US to migrate over to hsdpa for us data-plan users.
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2007-07-22
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Originally Posted by Vinh
Actually, I think you're a lot closer to the real point of the thread than anyone else. It's about getting the best internet connectivity anywhere, all the time for as little as possible.
Sorry, I kinda misunderstood the spirit of the thread... yeah, no tether means no N770 for web browsing. I use Gmail Mobile to quickly check email and Google Maps Mobile to find the next wi-fi spot so I can respond.
The best deal in the US (remember, best deal, not best service) is a Sprint SERO plan using the new HTC Mogul cellular phone. You pay $30, you get 500 anytime minutes, unlimited nights and weekends (starting at 7PM) and very, very importantly, UNLIMITED DATA.
If you use this data plan with the HTC Mogul, you are getting the ability to tether your N800 to your phone on EvDO Rev. 0. This is nice. But the far more important issue is that the Mogul handles Bluetooth 2.0. This is the stopping block usually. Most phones handle BT 1.2 which will slow you down. The BT 2.0 in the Mogul and in the N800 will allow you to take advantage of the higher EvDO speeds. Additionally, the Mogul will be software upgradable to EvDO Rev. A later in the year. While this will not dramatically improve the download speed, it WILL significantly improve upload speeds and reduce latency, both of which should be a considerable benefit to Skype calling on the N800.
The one hitch is that tethering is an additional charge over the $30. But there are applications (PDANet) that allow you to get around that limitation if you are so inclined.
I'm not saying Sprint is the best service. In my opinion, they're not. But on a pure value proposition, they're outstanding. Personally, I use Verizon with my Treo 700P. But the lack of BT 2.0 and the EvDO Rev. A means that I'll be looking very closely at the Mogul when it is released on the Verizon network later this year as the XV6800 unless I hear something more interesting with a rumored Treo 800W.
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2007-07-23
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I would seriously consider an umlimited 3G plan, if it wasn't for the fact that being located in Europe I'm mostly in some other country if I'm not in my own town.. and the mobile phone data plans switches to highway robbery mode as soon as you cross a border. At least for now (the EU commision smashed down on the voice roaming rates recently, hopefully they'll go for the data part too at some stage). wi-fi hotspots seem to be the only option for now.
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-- Metalayer-crawler delenda est.
-- Current state: Fed up with everything MeeGo.
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2007-08-09
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The best value data plan is T-Mobile. For $5.99 a month (yes, that little), you get to use their T Mobile Web plan. Tether your N800 to your phone and you get unlimited web surfing at decent EDGE speeds. Not bad. T Mobile don't have the best service - there again, every company's service is total crap IMHO - but they do offer the cheapest rates.
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2007-08-13
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The HTC Mogul is a Windows Mobile 6 device. Most WM6 devices do not support DUN over bluetooth, only PAN. I do not know if the Mogul is somehow different and does support DUN (sign me up!), but my guess is that it does not. If it doesn't do DUN, it's useless to the N770/N800 for tethering unless you hack the Mogul or figure out the PAN scripting for your Nokia.
There are many, many people that use the standard AT&T MediaMax 200 plan ($19.99/month) and get away with tethering without any added cost. There are hundreds (thousands?) of posts about this topic over on HowardForums.com.
The point is, AT&T wants you to pay the $59.99 tethering plan, but tethering works and at the same speed with the simple $19.99 mediaMax plans. There have been years of rumors that people can get hit with $5,000 phone bills by doing it, but it rarely happens. In the years that I've followed this debate and discussion, I've only read of a few people getting that kind of bill, and it's mostly been because their account wasn't set up correctly (PPU enabled & they used the wrong APN). In a few cases they were seriously abusing their plan by using many many gigs/month and doing things that no phone can (bittorents, etc).
The 'rule of thumb' that seems most prevalent is that basically AT&T doesn't care so long as you don't abuse it. It's anyone's guess what constitutes abuse (rumored to be a few hundred mb=ok,>1GB is not), and if/when AT&T will ever change their mind. It's all heresay and conjecture, so YMMV.
But I completely agree with the OP. Apparently, the market supports mobile tethered internet access at >$50/month, but I think it's a pretty steep price for what are, in many areas, a 115kbs EDGE connection. Carriers have a right to protect their bandwidth of course, and to that end perhaps the $50/unlimited is justified. But they just need plans that make sense for 'normal' users that just want to check the news and their email from time-to-time, but who need more than a paltry 5 or 10mb per month. I'd gladly subscribe to a $20-$30/month for a 'tethering allowed' 3G plan that was capped at 500mb/month...
Last edited by Delta5; 2007-08-13 at 21:23.
There are many, many people that use the standard AT&T MediaMax 200 plan ($19.99/month) and get away with tethering without any added cost. There are hundreds (thousands?) of posts about this topic over on HowardForums.com.
The point is, AT&T wants you to pay the $59.99 tethering plan, but tethering works and at the same speed with the simple $19.99 mediaMax plans. There have been years of rumors that people can get hit with $5,000 phone bills by doing it, but it rarely happens. In the years that I've followed this debate and discussion, I've only read of a few people getting that kind of bill, and it's mostly been because their account wasn't set up correctly (PPU enabled & they used the wrong APN). In a few cases they were seriously abusing their plan by using many many gigs/month and doing things that no phone can (bittorents, etc).
The 'rule of thumb' that seems most prevalent is that basically AT&T doesn't care so long as you don't abuse it. It's anyone's guess what constitutes abuse (rumored to be a few hundred mb=ok,>1GB is not), and if/when AT&T will ever change their mind. It's all heresay and conjecture, so YMMV.
But I completely agree with the OP. Apparently, the market supports mobile tethered internet access at >$50/month, but I think it's a pretty steep price for what are, in many areas, a 115kbs EDGE connection. Carriers have a right to protect their bandwidth of course, and to that end perhaps the $50/unlimited is justified. But they just need plans that make sense for 'normal' users that just want to check the news and their email from time-to-time, but who need more than a paltry 5 or 10mb per month. I'd gladly subscribe to a $20-$30/month for a 'tethering allowed' 3G plan that was capped at 500mb/month...
Originally Posted by SteveNYC
Actually, I think you're a lot closer to the real point of the thread than anyone else. It's about getting the best internet connectivity anywhere, all the time for as little as possible.
The best deal in the US (remember, best deal, not best service) is a Sprint SERO plan using the new HTC Mogul cellular phone. You pay $30, you get 500 anytime minutes, unlimited nights and weekends (starting at 7PM) and very, very importantly, UNLIMITED DATA.
If you use this data plan with the HTC Mogul, you are getting the ability to tether your N800 to your phone on EvDO Rev. 0. This is nice. But the far more important issue is that the Mogul handles Bluetooth 2.0. This is the stopping block usually. Most phones handle BT 1.2 which will slow you down. The BT 2.0 in the Mogul and in the N800 will allow you to take advantage of the higher EvDO speeds. Additionally, the Mogul will be software upgradable to EvDO Rev. A later in the year. While this will not dramatically improve the download speed, it WILL significantly improve upload speeds and reduce latency, both of which should be a considerable benefit to Skype calling on the N800.
The one hitch is that tethering is an additional charge over the $30. But there are applications (PDANet) that allow you to get around that limitation if you are so inclined.
I'm not saying Sprint is the best service. In my opinion, they're not. But on a pure value proposition, they're outstanding. Personally, I use Verizon with my Treo 700P. But the lack of BT 2.0 and the EvDO Rev. A means that I'll be looking very closely at the Mogul when it is released on the Verizon network later this year as the XV6800 unless I hear something more interesting with a rumored Treo 800W.
Last edited by Delta5; 2007-08-13 at 21:23.
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2007-08-14
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Those prices really suck, in Finland you can get a unlimited 384kbit/s (WCDMA) option for your GSM for 10€/month. 2mbit/s (HSDPA) costs 30€/month.
Oh and whats this bs about not being allowed to tether? What's the point then?
Oh and whats this bs about not being allowed to tether? What's the point then?
Im hopping that the allure of constantly having the n800 be constantly connected to the internet without a cellphone, which would allow it to become my cellphone, will inspire some of you more intrepid n800 users to venture a hack/mod
Barring that is there any clear cut winner from all the above suggestions for a suitable (cheap cheap cheap) data plan cell phone partner for my n800??
All i need is a phone that will connect it to the internet via bluetooth sync
Thanks