Originally Posted by Cue

Social science has no answers, no rights and wrongs, only public reactions. We do have that data and it is not looking positive. If nokia has "data" that shows that the risk is lower and they are going to be fine and that people should invest in them then it is in their best interest to plan a press release. This is the way any social science works.

Originally Posted by ericsson

That is the future for Android, a place where competition is only driven by cost. WP has a different future, a future where value added software and services will drive hardware in a different direction toward quality and usability, not very unlike Apples approach, yet different in some key aspects. It is not without reason none of the big names have given up on WP despite the rather cool first year.

IMO the success of Nokia in the future is tied directly to how much they want WP-Nokia to succeed and how hard they (Nokia and MS) work do make it happen. The rest, data and whatever, is secondary.

Originally Posted by tissot

Says who?
My father was buying C7 before i explained him that you can't really take close ups of documents. So he ended buying GS.

Most people do macroshots and anyways it's not even about how many takes them when you are simply talking about crappier cameras. Nokia has been able to get af cameras before on it's ~200 euros phones so why not now?
It's just cheapness that nobody should defend no matter how much you like the brand.

Originally Posted by umo120

Huh? It's quite clear Microsoft will have firm grip on the whole WP "ecosystem" and Nokia at best can hope to be just another HW manufacturer.

Originally Posted by Cue

That's a fair point. IMO though, Windows Mobile is superseded by Windows Phone but this is all semantics, the point still stands because, as I have said, the actual change or dichotomy of the product is irrelevant to the market performance statistics.


The point is that a 0 to x number is a very poor way of trying to show a trend, where as basing it on a companies past performance or over an actual period in that sector (whether you choose to compound Phone/Mobile or not) is far more sound, far more reliable.

You don't even need to look at windows mobile, because if you look at windows phone over an actual period rather than a 0 to x you will still see the actual trend (which is still decreasing). Compounding windows mobile and windows phone will inflate Microsofts marketshare by shifting the graph up as a whole but will not change the trend you see for WP into a negative unless it was actually negative. Splitting it can show a negative as an increase if all you do is look at a 0 to x number instead because 0 to x will always show an increase, you cannot have a negative market share. if Windows Phone was performing well it should have shown a quarterly increase in the compounded graph, not still show a quarterly decrease over an actual period. I will reiterate the point, what you cannot do is look at a 0 to x number and say that it is now more popular or better performing as a product, a different product or otherwise, a separate entity or not, if you could then you can even change the trend of the exact same product by deciding to split it (arbitrarily or not). Some companies actually do this and some people actually fall for it.

Originally Posted by keflex

Actually one of the main reasons for using EDoF modules is the size of them as compared to other camera modules.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Compal is making those WP7 phones. I don't know of them doing any work with Nokia before...

Originally Posted by gerbick

Compal is making those WP7 phones. I don't know of them doing any work with Nokia before...

Originally Posted by ericsson

Bull. What you actually say is; among the rumors and bloggers analysis I have read, I chose to put value on those supporting the view that Nokia will fail.

Originally Posted by marxian

I don't read blogs. I do read the writing on the wall, though. And it says '(Nokia + Microsoft) == Epic fail'.