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2009-09-05
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Originally Posted by qole
Already have had that via GV Mobile for almost all of 2009.
I think it is a huge game changer. You'll see. Just wait 'till you have DialCentral (with free long distance and SMS) on your phone.
Just wait till you have a contact record for a person with Skype, MSN, ICQ, Google, Yahoo, Facebook (etc, etc) IDs (and presence indicators!), e-mail, and home/office/mobile numbers, and you can choose to contact that person using any one of those methods from your mobile device. Send them a Skype IM? SMS? Call them? e-mail them? Sure. Just hit the button.
Are you in a WiFi area? Well, use one of the several supported VoIP protocols over wifi instead of 3G.
Shoot a DVD-quality video of your daughter at dance class, and send it immediately, from your device, to your spouse on a business trip overseas.
Sure, you'll argue that most of this can be done already, and this is just an incremental step, but you can say that about a lot of inventions that seemed minor at the time but later turned out to be real game changers.
Anyway, time will tell. I'm probably just a hopeless fanboy.
And secretly pulling for the N900.
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2009-09-05
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Originally Posted by ysss
My issue isn't even with the technical prowess any more - there's no doubting that this is one capable phone.
@qole: I don't think gerbick was talking about technical capability of the N900. I'm sure he knows all about it, and then some.
What good is all those technical prowess if nobody buys it? The product has to be packaged appealingly, accepted by the consumer and also everyone in the supply chain to ensure smoooth delivery of the product to the widest audience (this includes the carriers).
By "game changer" I have to state I just see a very well thought out phone that honestly is on a very limited (initially) bandwidth and a slim chance it'll be priced slightly above the set price of it's current mindshare competition, the Apple iPhone 3GS which is subsidized something fierce.
By game changer... I'd love to see some things change in the US carrier offerings. But it ain't gonna happen. Not yet... not in my opinion.
In fact, there seems to be a slight backlash from the carriers that can't put their marketing into your phone... and that really has me more bothered than anything else.
But who knows... I'm sitting back and watching you guys hash it out... I'm just remaining hopeful that this comes out as big as people are hoping it will be.
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2009-09-05
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Originally Posted by qole
And see how quickly you'll go over your monthly data limit (just with the background chit-chat to keep you logged on to the voip servers and exchange presence information).
I think it is a huge game changer. You'll see. Just wait 'till you have DialCentral (with free long distance and SMS) on your phone. Just wait till you have a contact record for a person with Skype, MSN, ICQ, Google, Yahoo, Facebook (etc, etc) IDs (and presence indicators!), e-mail, and home/office/mobile numbers, and you can choose to contact that person using any one of those methods from your mobile device. Send them a Skype IM? SMS? Call them? e-mail them? Sure. Just hit the button.
Then, depending on your carrier/contract, youl'll either have your speed heavily reduced (so none of the above will work) or you'll pay 10 times more for your data call than for a normal voice call.
And that assuming that the carriers won't severely cripple voip traffic.
Originally Posted by qole
RIght, but you don't need an n900 for that, you could already do it with an n8x0.
Are you in a WiFi area? Well, use one of the several supported VoIP protocols over wifi instead of 3G.
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2009-09-05
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Personally I would not want my device to be polluted with the rubbish customisations that come with a network supplied device so, in any case, I will (if I buy that is) opting for a contract free device.
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2009-09-05
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Originally Posted by gerbick
My issue isn't even with the technical prowess any more - there's no doubting that this is one capable phone.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Two different Games...
By "game changer" I have to state I just see a very well thought out phone that honestly is on a very limited (initially) bandwidth and a slim chance it'll be priced slightly above the set price of it's current mindshare competition, the Apple iPhone 3GS which is subsidized something fierce.
By game changer... I'd love to see some things change in the US carrier offerings. But it ain't gonna happen. Not yet... not in my opinion.
In fact, there seems to be a slight backlash from the carriers that can't put their marketing into your phone... and that really has me more bothered than anything else.
But who knows... I'm sitting back and watching you guys hash it out... I'm just remaining hopeful that this comes out as big as people are hoping it will be.
The Game US carriers have been playing with subscribers;
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the Game US carriers want device manufacturers to play.
The first game manufacturers have little say in but they do affect the outcome... As was said earlier, in some cases when manufactures competed with each other over a carriers business, the manufacturer often came up with ways that a carrier could squeeze extra pennies out of a subscriber. Notice the term “carriers business” and not subscribers business. This is the outcome of this subsidized device game.
The subscriber is not the customer, the carrier is.
If in the in first game we established that the true US customer of a manufacturer’s device is the carrier then the second game is “The customer is always right”…
Device manufactures designed, developed, and ultimately built devices with the features that US carriers wanted, not what the subscriber wanted. The second game is the game I believe Apple changed.
However, up until now it may have only changed for Apple. If this is the case, it changed the first game somewhat by giving the subscriber a choice. A subscriber now could choose features that a carrier like AT&T wants them to have or the features that a manufacturer like Apple wants them to have.
Now hang in there with me. This is where I tie together my seemingly convoluted logic and bring it on home. (I know what I mean but I don’t always write it down very well.
)The game I believe Nokia may have altered with the N900 is the second one. When a harmattan device drops Apple may no longer be the only manufacturers offering subscribers a choice over what features they can have on their own dang device. With Nokia also at the table subscribers will have more features to choose from. With Maemo on Nokia’s device, those features will no longer be limited by either the carrier or the manufacturer.
Ultimately the US subscriber will become the customer that manufacturers will compete for and the first game will no longer be played the way it is now.
Kudos Nokia… well played!
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2009-09-05
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Originally Posted by ysss
I'd expect it not to make a spin, e.g. compare apples and oranges and present that in a misleading conclusion. If he had moaned about ti being not subsidized (enough), it would have been understandable.
He's already mentioned the possibility of T-Mobile subsidies, what more do you expect from a short intro article in PC Mag? Another full paragraph to explain about Cell phone subsidy practices and how that accounts for the price discrepancy?
This way, just as sachin007 put it, I could equally say that here the iPhone 3GS is sold at price of 70 (yes, SEVENTY) Nokia XM5800-es. Not exactly a fair comparison, is it ?
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2009-09-05
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@attila77: I didn't make a point to defend what the writer did. What i was trying to do is to understand why he did what he did and what constraints he has to deal with. This way you analyze the situation clearer, not just put blames on everyone else but your 'side'.
Tell me something, name one popular phone in the US that's made their mark in the US market without getting carrier subsidy.
Tell me something, name one popular phone in the US that's made their mark in the US market without getting carrier subsidy.
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2009-09-05
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Originally Posted by ysss
As I said before, it wasn't about subsidies and I have no idea what phones are popular in the US. He made a comparison (and implied a conclusion) nobody forced him to do. If he thought what you say, then that's what he should have written (Nokia is wrong not to offer this phone on a carrier that provides at least 400$ subsidy), and not imply the conclusion that it's two or three times more expensive than the 3GS. Even if the average Joe fails to think through the whole subsidy thing (which I honestly don't know), there is no need for a journalist to make that (false) conclusion for them.
@attila77: I didn't make a point to defend what the writer did. What i was trying to do is to understand why he did what he did and what constraints he has to deal with. This way you analyze the situation clearer, not just put blames on everyone else but your 'side'.
Tell me something, name one popular phone in the US that's made their mark in the US market without getting carrier subsidy.
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@qole: I don't think gerbick was talking about technical capability of the N900. I'm sure he knows all about it, and then some.
What good is all those technical prowess if nobody buys it? The product has to be packaged appealingly, accepted by the consumer and also everyone in the supply chain to ensure smoooth delivery of the product to the widest audience (this includes the carriers).
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