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#2901
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw View Post
And also, how will all of the additional nearly mint condition N900s be sourced so that more Neo900s can be produced? From what I've read to date, it seems like this has been a major challenge and the team still doesn't have enough to cover the existing orders, let alone increased demand following a kickstarter.
Yes, this is a real Achilles Heel for the project. Their total production run is limited to the number of "mint condition N900s" that they have now, plus the number of current N900 owners who wish to go with their board-only option. If they don't have enough N900s in hand now, and they can't entice additional N900 owners to go board-only, then the Kickstarter campaign will essentially be asking those who have pre-ordered already to send in more money, still with no product in sight.
 

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#2902
Originally Posted by joerg_rw View Post
leaving other points of criticism in your post aside, this is particularly incorrect.
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Using phrases like "your post is particularly incoherent"
Before this escalates, I'd like to point out that Joerg said incorrect, not incoherent! It's late...
 

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#2903
Please don't escalade to the left or right. The N900 has been a wonderfull device and for the next 50 years there will be nothing like that again. It's like ancient and forgotten technology.
 

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#2904
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw View Post
Before this escalates, I'd like to point out that Joerg said incorrect, not incoherent! It's late...
While both has come across bit hostile I think pichlo had a point.
I mean neo900.org should answer questions clearly. The question was raised after the word kickstarter appeared. After such a long timewe forgot that it was planned and forgotten what it was for. And thoughts pop-up: What the ... , do I need throw even more money? Why that? What the ... are they doing with the funds?

So instead of accusing the other of stupid question, more or less. Neo900.org should aim to describe and explain clearly and effectively what is the status. Every answer should almost fit in a SMS

See my post as feedback. It's not my intention to ignite a fight. While I hope this project succeeds, I simply can't afford it myself. So I my emotion are not as high, as I am not part of it...
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#2905
Originally Posted by mr_pingu View Post
While both has come across bit hostile I think pichlo had a point.
I actually somewhat agree with the sentiment of what Pichlo said, just thought it could have escalated in a non helpful way very easily. There's a real disagreement to be had, but it isn't over that particular phrase, which was misquoted.
 

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#2906
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
I do not think anyone was accusing you of that. Nor do i think anyone is accusing you of anything nefarious. I know I am not. I think it's more of "biting more than you can chew" and your pride preventing you from admitting it, even to yourself.



With all due respect, sir, I think the phrase you were looking for is sorry. After four years of leading your customers down the garden path, you are in no position to offend them. Even if they are complete idiots and completely wrong and you are completely right, you are still obliged to apologise and explain any misunderstanding from the position of humility. Using phrases like "your post is particularly incoherent" can be seen as a sign of arrogance which is rather unbecoming in your position.
From what I've read so far in four years, the arrogance/humility problem is in no way exclusive to the project leaders, and I think it comes from the overall agressive tone that has been common here, particularly in this thread.

I'm not going to try understanding which one of the egg or the hen came first, but I do understand that people from both sides end up irritated - after all they all sunk either lots of money and hopes, or lots of sweat and time - and ultimately feel obliged to answer like they have rabies. With all due respect Pichlo, while I usually appreciate your concise and well written messages, your post here shows exactly what it is complaining about.

This kind of conversations and oppositions between backers and project leaders is very likely to just be noxious over the longer term. I myself would not stand such critics (including personal critics, not just comments on the project itself) for a long time while dedicating much of my time in a project for backers without any guarantee that it will even work. I think our impatience kind of makes us forget how much the projects leaders are investing in the Neo900 compared to our pledges, even though our pledges should not be ignored either.

Maybe the project leaders need to consider apologizing for the lack of communication (even though we know they have no manpower for that, they also know the lack of news has always been seen as a huge problem in the Neo900 project and they could maybe just dedicate half a day every month to share updates in a news, even if the news is about lack of progress due to any issue), maybe. But maybe we should also consider being more respectful and not behave like these angry clients in a bar that know no better way than yelling or humiliating the bartender if they did not want ice cubes in their drink.

A community project is going nowhere if the community and the project leaders look at each others with hostility as if they are in trenches expecting the next assault. Let's kiss and dance the dance of joy.
 

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