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Originally Posted by korbé
That thing is not even marketed as HTC device here, but as a T-Mobile device, and the firmware reflects that. It is also a legacy device ie. not flagship anymore.
HTC G1 haven't got this UI.
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
And some libraries?
OK, so because you can replace Google Map with something free, you are happy. Now, you can replace Ovi Maps with Maemo Mapper. You can replace the Media Player with one of the many media players from extras/ repository. So what is your problem?
And some elements of the interface?
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by korbé
Which, what?
And some libraries?
And some elements of the interface?
Et...
Anyway, instead of ranting I think you can better contribute and see why stuff is closed source, what the reasons are, if you can contribute to change the status, and so on. That project has been ongoing for a long time now... see e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Which, what?
Anyway, instead of ranting I think you can better contribute and see why stuff is closed source, what the reasons are, if you can contribute to change the status, and so on. That project has been ongoing for a long time now... see e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
The only excuse that does not seem wrong on the link that you gives:
# Third party: Nokia does not own the code and therefore does not decide on the license.
but now, when I see the openness of mind of some members of this community, I wonder if I'll participate.
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Originally Posted by korbé
If by wrong you mean factually incorrect, no.
The only excuse that does not seem wrong on the link that you gives:
If by wrong you mean my morals which are not in sync with Nokia commercial interests, yes.
...but we can post whole evening about this and nothing will change, and nobody will get wiser. What you want is based on your zealotry, and unfortunately for you it won't help you getting anything done. Think about it. If Stallman would have acted in your way he'd never have written GNU.
As for you not buying the machine because of this. Unfortunate, but be my guest. I've seen many Linux and FOSS enthusiasts going insane over Nokia N900. Even statements like "most open device on market", etc.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
This is why I want to join the Open Moko project next year.
If by wrong you mean factually incorrect, no.
If by wrong you mean my morals which are not in sync with Nokia commercial interests, yes.
...but we can post whole evening about this and nothing will change, and nobody will get wiser. What you want is based on your zealotry, and unfortunately for you it won't help you getting anything done. Think about it. If Stallman would have acted in your way he'd never have written GNU.
As for you not buying the machine because of this. Unfortunate, but be my guest. I've seen many Linux and FOSS enthusiasts going insane over Nokia N900. Even statements like "most open device on market", etc.
But the Neo FreeRunner is an exceed material, then I search a phone / MIT as FOSS as possible.
If you can hack the N900 to install another OS, such as Mer on the N810, this will be a good modern platform to run Open Moko.
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Openmoko? LOL. Yeah, they have a fantastic track record...
Unstable connections, changed UI toolkit 3 times, religious wars on ML, no 3G. If I were you I'd wait for Mer on Nokia N900 instead. And instead of posting here help Mer project. Famous last words...
Unstable connections, changed UI toolkit 3 times, religious wars on ML, no 3G. If I were you I'd wait for Mer on Nokia N900 instead. And instead of posting here help Mer project. Famous last words...
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Nothing prevents me for helping MER and Open Moko.
I have time next year.
I have time next year.
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Originally Posted by korbé
Well, I rebated your statement...
Compared to the beginning of this thread, I try to be respectful and I bring good examples (with numbers if possible) to substantiate my statements.
Have I got a real debate in return?
And if you want "true" free Android: http://openandroidalliance.com/ , you may want to hang on there too.
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Can you not see Google does not open source these products for a similar reason as Nokia does not, can you actually not see 1) Google is much bigger than Nokia 2) Google earns money on its services and data mining which is much smaller for Nokia whereas Nokia sells end_product / hardware? 3) that the ethical question could be data mining versus closed source software?
The most popular custom Android mod got a cease & desist because it provided these proprietary Google applications while this is not allowed per license since written permission is necessary. If the open source alternatives would be better these proprietary applications would not have been included in the first place.
(Hmm and why does my spell checker accept Google with capital 'G' as word, but Nokia or Maemo with capital 'N' or 'M' not
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