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#11
ooo sorry Tex, didnt see this post here - must have been hiding - will have a proper read through tomorrow

Initial thought - sounds great! - will comment back later after reading it all
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Not a lot to read yet. I'm hoping for contributions.
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Just to say I tried to add the idea of email feedback-requests to the brainstorm but I've hit the Maemo-server issue. If anyone else can get in to do it, please feel free.
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I can't even connect to the thing!

But FYI: I am making progress on a presentation for my first solution.
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Originally Posted by Flandry View Post
The first idea, in particular, i like.

The others are more general and are probably covered by the first proposal in some way.

I was going to add another solution proposal of my own, and then realized that it, too is covered by the ambitious original proposed solution. I guess it could be seen as a requisite first step to the completion of the main solution.

Here's what i had started to say.

Fix what's already there

We need single login and a fixed search feature on m.o. Beyond that...

Currently, an app requires a bugtracker link to get through Extras-Testing. While this is good in theory, in practice it is not very useful to a typical user, who will not have the motivation or courage to venture into bugtracker. The most casual user will not use any feedback mechanism but one that is integral with the device itself, and for that demographic, Texrat's proposal is the best.

However, there is a large demographic not currently optimally engaged: those that actually do come to m.o to browse the forum etc. For these, an official talk thread that is also supported by a control file entry (like the bug tracker) would be useful. Obviously we'd like to see all of this integrated, but this seems like a much more practical interim step.

This has even greater potential than just a means of getting feedback: it can be an "automatic" source of documentation for maemo apps (my only feedback on the N900 from users i know personally is "I can't figure out how to use this." and they are continually amazed at how much it can do once I show them how). The maintainer can put the "manual" into the first post of the thread, and with a simple addition HAM could automatically load up the page in MicroB at the conclusion of an app installation.

Well, you get the idea.
Like the man said... fix what we have first. Enhancing broken = more broken.

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Wait until you see my proposal YoDude.

Yes, log in stuff needs immediate fixing. Maybe by the time my presentation is finished that will be done.
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Yikes, this presentation is taking longer than I'd thought. But the good news is that's mostly because ideas keep occurring.
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Yikes, this presentation is taking longer than I'd thought. But the good news is that's mostly because ideas keep occurring.
I'm looking forward to see your presentation after our productive diskussion yesterday. I'm very curious about it.
 
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Here's a teaser from the current presentation in progress (warning: large format image):

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