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	Karel Jansens	2008-11-07 , 23:02
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Originally Posted by dan67sf

If you want I would be glad to take a look at it and see if the fuse is actually the problem or not. Or if you know someone that does electronic repair I can post where the fuse is and have them check it with a Multimeter to see if that is the problem or not.

Thanks, but I'll probably just send it to Nokia. Like I said, it's still under warranty (EU mandatory two years) and nothing has been done to it other than applying a screen protector, so they'll have to fix it.

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	luca	2008-11-08 , 13:13
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

Like I said, it's still under warranty (EU mandatory two years).

But after six months you have to prove it's their fault. Many big name (and even not so big) manufacturers just give you 2 years of full warranty, no strings attached, but that's not what the EU requires.

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Rebski	2008-11-08 , 14:18
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But after six months you have to prove it's their fault.

Are you sure about this? It is always best to take legal advice unless of course this is what you are providing here?

Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees
Article 5
Time limits
1. The seller shall be held liable under Article 3 where the lack of conformity becomes apparent within two years as from delivery of the goods.

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	allnameswereout	2008-11-08 , 14:54
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AFAIK the warranty kicks in by default. If it is your fault and they can prove this you have to pay for the costs. For example, if you solder on your hardware and **** it up or you play football with it you "did not use the device as intended". This is manufacturer warranty; not sales warranty. The latter is minimum 1 year. This matters because it defines who has the liability and who you must contact to send the hardware to. One has to be careful though. Some corporations appear to believe they're not dealing with EU customers. If you buy from a vendor such as Dell or Apple they want to shove you some additional warranty (for after that 1 year) while you have the right to have 2 years of warranty. They shove it to call this additional warranty seemingless but its bullocks. BTW, if a device would suddenly stop functioning while this would not be expected (some devices you may expect to function for a longer period than 2 years) you might have a case as well. A computer loses 33% of its new price every year, and after 3 years its regarded as garbage.

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	luca	2008-11-08 , 17:49
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Originally Posted by Rebski

Are you sure about this?

Pretty sure, yes

Originally Posted by Rebski

It is always best to take legal advice unless of course this is what you are providing here?

No, IANAL, but I read various articles about it when this directive was implemented here, and all of them explained the 6 months trick. After 6 months the validity of the warranty depends on the good-will of the seller (in many cases it will be the manufacturer that will take care of the warranty, however the law is only binding between the buyer and the seller), or if you're willing to pay for an expert opinion and the legal costs involved.

Originally Posted by Rebski

Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees
Article 5
Time limits
1. The seller shall be held liable under Article 3 where the lack of conformity becomes apparent within two years as from delivery of the goods.

That same article 5, paragraph 3:

Unless proved otherwise, any lack of conformity which
becomes apparent within six months of delivery of the goods
shall be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery unless
this presumption is incompatible with the nature of the goods
or the nature of the lack of conformity.

i.e, the first six months, by default it is considered to be defective, after 6 months you have to prove it was defective when it was sold to you.

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	Karel Jansens	2008-11-08 , 18:21
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Originally Posted by luca

But after six months you have to prove it's their fault. Many big name (and even not so big) manufacturers just give you 2 years of full warranty, no strings attached, but that's not what the EU requires.

No, in the first six months the manufacturer has to take the goods back by default (unless they can prove gross buyer error or something like that). After that period, the manufacturer has the right to seek proof that the fault was the buyer's. The burden of proof always lies by the manufacturer.

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	luca	2008-11-08 , 21:36
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

No, in the first six months the manufacturer has to take the goods back by default (unless they can prove gross buyer error or something like that). After that period, the manufacturer has the right to seek proof that the fault was the buyer's. The burden of proof always lies by the manufacturer.

The directive says otherwise (see articles 3 and 5)
Btw, the manufacturer, according to such directive, is never directly responsible, the responsibility lies on the seller, which in turn can "pursue remedies against the person or persons liable in the contractual chain", so even if normally is the manufacturer that takes care of the warranty it is not required (yet) to do so by EU law.