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#211
At this point I'm looking ahead. Purism Librem is supposed to come out in early 2019. Seems hopelessly far away. Anything from Jolla in 2018? Any other possibilities that have gnu/linux at its heart and also makes calls?
 

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#212
Originally Posted by immi.shk View Post
Currently by the end of 2017, there are a few Linux/win machines which are pretty nice and compact.
and
"which really exist"

1 GPD Win
https://i.imgur.com/e8SOJqt.jpg
64 GB internal
4GB Ram
full qwerty + gaming keys which acts as mouse
1 usb 3.0
1 full hdmi
1 micro sd
full windows 10
Ubuntu working
I was given a GPD Win for Christmas, and though Ubuntu and Arch Linux do indeed run on it, many, many things such as:

1) WiFi
2) Battery charging
3) Sound
4) Screen brightness
5) Screen orientation
6) suspend/resume
7) Battery monitoring

etc, etc don't work if you just install a distro from an ISO image. To even get the ISO image to boot from a thumb drive, you must downgrade the BIOS because the BIOS shipped with new units is dumbed-down to the point of uselessness. There are fixes for many of these issues posted here and there on the web, but except for the WiFi fix they involve building a custom kernel, along with lots of other tweeks. I'm still piddling around with it, but I can tell that this will be a device that will never completely work when running Linux.

Also, on my unit at least, the backlight is quite nonuniform, so there are areas of the screen which are significantly brighter than others. The touch screen is not very responsive. Graphics are very slow compared to what you get on a modern mobile phone. Overall, the Atom processor seems about 1/2 as fast as a Snapdragon 821. It's quite an indictment of Intel that a fan is needed to cool this processor.

*sigh* I wish I believed I would live long enough to see the Pyra shipped.

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#213
Thanks for that Ken...
I was considering getting a GPD
now with your findings...
I won't even bother.

I will stick to my n8x0's...
and my pi puttering ...
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AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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#214
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Thanks for that Ken...
I was considering getting a GPD
now with your findings...
I won't even bother.
.
I'll post again if I get it running really well. I doubt that will happen.
 

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#215
Originally Posted by Ken-Young View Post
I was given a GPD Win for Christmas, and though Ubuntu and Arch Linux do indeed run on it, many, many things such as:

1) WiFi
2) Battery charging
3) Sound
4) Screen brightness
5) Screen orientation
6) suspend/resume
7) Battery monitoring

etc, etc don't work if you just install a distro from an ISO image. To even get the ISO image to boot from a thumb drive, you must downgrade the BIOS because the BIOS shipped with new units is dumbed-down to the point of uselessness. There are fixes for many of these issues posted here and there on the web, but except for the WiFi fix they involve building a custom kernel, along with lots of other tweaks. I'm still piddling around with it, but I can tell that this will be a device that will never completely work when running Linux.

Also, on my unit at least, the backlight is quite nonuniform, so there are areas of the screen which are significantly brighter than others. The touch screen is not very responsive. Graphics are very slow compared to what you get on a modern mobile phone. Overall, the Atom processor seems about 1/2 as fast as a Snapdragon 821. It's quite an indictment of Intel that a fan is needed to cool this processor.

*sigh* I wish I believed I would live long enough to see the Pyra shipped.
_____________________________________________

Well, I do not have first hand experience with GPD Win but i feel these guys did pretty well with Linux on GPD Win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTSVysKUmXM
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMjwVYGuLpc

they managed to get "WiFi" and "Brightness" working i guess, still no Sound. but i feel it wont take long achieve that too.

as i said earlier, i like the standalone input methods of GPD win which requires no additional input devices like mouse or even touchscreen or a flat surface to rest on.

Still, if anyone wants a proper official Linux supported device then GPD pocket is for them, since it has its own Official Ubuntu Firmware

also
the Gemini PDA guys Demoed there working Prototype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IggSfTyzCQ


Lets hope the Best is Coming for hand-held Linux Devices
 

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#216
Thanks for all the information everyone provided throughout 2017.

Happy New Year.

I wanted to finish 2017 with a poll about what the best linux handheld
was during 2017.

But I am overwhelmed with distractions and other business.

I suggest anyone who feels the urge to pick up where I leave off
and make the next logical thread:

( You know what to do ! )


cheers for everyone's prosperity in 2018
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#217
You got it T.O.L. (theonelaw) !
I know just what to do!


Check out the new thread no sooner than the next 5 minutes...no later than tomorrow...
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Owner of : 1-n770 (in retirement),
3-n800's,
3-n810's,
5-n900's
-3 flawless
-1 loose usb (i don't muck with it & stress it , considering selling it, another can fix the loose usb)
-1 no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors)
half a neo900 pre- "bought"....due for production any day now.


PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#218
Originally Posted by Ken-Young View Post
Sadly, Android version 8 (Oreo) broke gnuroot Debian (see https://github.com/corbinlc/GNURootDebian/issues/206). It looks like the issue may be "seccomp filtering" which was added in Oreo. This problem was noticed immediately upon the initial release of Oreo, a couple of months ago, and it has not been fixed yet. I get the feeling that gnuroot Debian has fewer people working on it than Termux does.

I've used both, and gnuroot Debian seemed to give a more "fully gnu/linux" feeling than Termux does. It felt like a regular changeroot environment. gnuroot Debian has an integrated X11 server, which Termux does not.

However, gnuroot Debian is a 32 bit Arm environment, and Termux is 64 bit. Even if you disabled wakelock and wifilock on gnuroot Debian, it still occasionally drained significant battery power even when you weren't running any code with it. Termux doesn't do that. Also, Termux supports setting up scripts that are run whenever the handset is booted, and also can be integrated with Tasker.

Termux only supports passwordless ssh logins to the handset; there is no concept of a user account, so you have to copy your public ssh keys onto the handset if you want to allow logins via sshd, and since there's no password then, it's a bit less secure than logging in using sshd under gnuroot Debian.
Hi. I happen to notice that the developer of gnuroot Debian has made significant progress fixing the problem with gnuroot Debian running on Oreo. Looking forward his success!
 

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