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#11
As far as Sailfish goes one needs more memory to take advantage of multitasking. Even without alien dalvik things can start to be closed too often. Very different from the Maemo experience on the N900
 

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Originally Posted by alfredquack View Post
might be slightly off topic, but

what do you need faster hardware for?
it's not necessarily that i need faster hardware.

no, what i need is not to feel ripped off in paying 250 Euros for hardware that can be seen in Landfill android for just a third as much.
 

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Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix View Post
it's not necessarily that i need faster hardware.

no, what i need is not to feel ripped off in paying 250 Euros for hardware that can be seen in Landfill android for just a third as much.
I personally pay more for a jolla device than shitty android devices and the reason is simple:

Jolla can not compete will big manufacturers with lower prices. I am sure you are not ripped off by Jolla. It is probably the other way around. Not sure investors has got all money back from selling the phones yet.
 

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well, so just get a used one, eather here, or elsewhere on the net. Fortunately jolla has a replacable battery, so that can be easyly replaced in case the original one doesn't work no more.

I myself tend to be opposed to always shorter and shorter lifecycles of products und try just keep my things without replacing 'em every year or so.

I 'm still very impress when i think of what could be done with my first computer - a sinclair ZX-spectrum with a Z80 an 16/ 48k of memory! And, most notably how fast that think came on. So sometimes I think that resources could be used better in software optimization rather than new hardware. That is optimization, not more and more funcions. Why not stick to what one's got? It's often been said that noone needs1 billion of "new" apps. And personaly I don't want to search new apps every time I change phones (first palm, than symbian, than sfos).

So to make things short: just get a used jolla.
 

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#15
Thank for the answers. And just to reply to some:

- I do not need faster hardware, but as others I do not wan't to pay 250 for outdated hardware (especially in terms of display readability)
- used ones are not really available as the market is quite small
- spare battery is a joke as there is not possibility to buy one


As for the solution (maybe only temporarily):

I ordered a Ubuntu Phone (Aquaris e 4.5) for 130 (so half the price of the Jolla).
 

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Just a few notes:

Originally Posted by gaelic View Post
- I do not need faster hardware, but as others I do not wan't to pay 250 for outdated hardware (especially in terms of display readability)
- used ones are not really available as the market is quite small
Yes, there are plenty of used ones. Just check Finnish resell websites (like huuto.net) - last time I checked (few months ago), you could get one for less than 100EUR. I don't live anywhere near Finland, but sending it to other countries was no problem.

Originally Posted by gaelic View Post
- spare battery is a joke as there is not possibility to buy one
Yes, there is. I am now happily using two batteries in my Jolla and I'm thinking of getting a 3rd one. The new one was for under 10EUR and it works better than the current official one (as it is brand new, unlike the other one).

Originally Posted by gaelic View Post

As for the solution (maybe only temporarily):

I ordered a Ubuntu Phone (Aquaris e 4.5) for 130 (so half the price of the Jolla).
Good luck with that choice. It wouldn't be me first - or even a second or third - choice because of Ubuntu Touch (many, many reasons why not) and the lack of 4G. If not for another Jolla, I would go for the Nexus 4/5 and run either SailfishOS, LuneOS, or Plasma Phone on it.

But to each his own, so I hope you'll like it!

EDIT: Corrected Nexus 5 to Nexus 4/5, as itdoesntmatt pointed out.
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Please, don't use it. If this doesn't convince you, read more here.
The worst thing is even if you don't use it, it takes one ***** who does and has your number in his/her contacts and your number is uploaded to servers of this insane company for 'anyone interested' to read.
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#17
what are reason against ubuntu phone? i have nexud 5 but lune os isn not available yet!

ps: are there some news about the really wanted implementation of your cover patch ?
 

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Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt View Post
what are reason against ubuntu phone? i have nexud 5 but lune os isn not available yet!

ps: are there some news about the really wanted implementation of your cover patch ?
Ah, sorry, I mistook Nexus 4 for Nexus 5.

And the reasons? Mind that they are just my opinion:
  • Canonical and their attitude towards the rest of the Linux/FOSS world. This is one good example. I do not want to support such attitude.
  • Mir (related to the previous point)
  • No multitasking
  • Unintuitive design (I am complaining about SailfishOS 2.0, but that's nothing compared to UT's side and bottom swipes).
  • Alarm doesn't go off when the phone is turned off.
  • The focus on Web apps and its effect on the native app situation.
  • Last time I heard, it was nowhere near the functionality completion or optimization of SailfishOS.
  • After the Ubuntu Edge con and the issue with Ubuntu (Desktop) automatically sending your searches to Amazon for search suggestions, I wouldn't rely on it for my data/privacy.

Don't give me wrong, Ubuntu Touch may have changed a lot since I last saw it and I may be pleasantly surprised and even change my opinion, but some of the aforementioned things are crucial for someone coming from the Maemo/Linux world. I used to be a Ubuntu (Desktop) user many years ago, but I'm glad I left.

PS: Still no progress on the patch, sorry. I'm looking into some other things that need fixing for my use case, but I'd definitely like to get back to it.
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Please, don't use it. If this doesn't convince you, read more here.
The worst thing is even if you don't use it, it takes one ***** who does and has your number in his/her contacts and your number is uploaded to servers of this insane company for 'anyone interested' to read.
Thumbs up for everyone supporting WhatsApp on Maemo. NOT

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#19
the article luckly said that canonical behaviour have been improved..and now they collaborate actively. i understand however that their previous behaviour was so bad. but now seems better
 

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so did I, it's not to complicated to find a used Jolla and there are even some tohkbd's out there, despite the relativly small market share.

nexus 5 was one option I considered to have a closer look into, but why get clone where one has to do some adjustment, when you can have the original?

And again, as pointed out before, it's the whole picture that matters. A fast (modern hardware) phone with a lousy OS ist still a lousy phone altogether. Shure a tractor has lot's of power, but do you want to drive it to work every day, or on the autobahn?
 
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