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#2401
I wasn't going to say boo...but I sure am now.
@wolke ...I don't know how you came to the conclusion it is only a hundred bucks more....are you kidding me? really?
...and the euro-slide aside ...the entire globe took an economic hit from the oil almost flatlining. It wasn't just the Euro that got hurt.

Here it sits...the Canadian dollar is only 18 cents from parity with the US dollar...
here is exactly the sitch...the original ballpark estimate was 700 euros for a complete device. I was fine with that... I anticipated more even...and I was fine with that...
but 990euros+150euros = 1140 euros ...that isn't a hundred dollars more...that isn't a small or modest increase ...260 euros more and it's double the original estimate. and that 1140 euros is not final.


Before fees, duty, taxes etc...that 700 euros (for a complete device) = 780 usd = 944.65 cdn .
After calculating tax (which is + $133 cdn)
going from the original estimate of $1054~ cdn. (I'm NOT even counting duty or including shipping and handling)

to the present current revised estimate of (990euros + 150euros for the complete device) 1140 euros = $1269.29 usd = $1537.23 cdn (after tax calculating $184.47) its $1725~ cdn. (and yet again I'm NOT including duty, shipping and handling)
and that's saying that is the final set price tag of course...
that isn't just a hundred dollars more...in whatever denomination...
that is going from the original estimate (in my country) of a grand to $275 dollars shy of DOUBLE the original estimate...

I've already put down over $600 cdn and I'm still $1100 bucks away?
and then there is STILL on top of that duty, shipping, handling, and insurance (I would imagine). I imagine it will be a joy to see that end figure.

The new estimation is a punch-to-the-gut number ...
it is becoming hard calling it anything different..

I do get the math...and understand the sitch (the euro slide, the unforeseen costs, etc..) ...I get it.
and I do want to see the guys getting paid decently, costs covered, the whole shmozzel...

I still intend on getting a device..
I still support the project...
I still believe in the project...
I'm not griping or complaining...
But if I'm handing over a couple hundred bucks shy of 2 grand (and I won't be surprised it makes that figure in the end)...
I think no one would deny me the allowance to say ..something...
guys..that number ... $1725~ cdn.
I can only speak for myself when I say
flat-out that number smarts..really smarts.
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PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
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242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#2402
I agree with endsormeans, I'm going to struggle to get this past the 'chancellor of the exchequer' (the wife).
Having serious doubts.

From a daily N900 user.
 

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#2403
endsormeans, youre calculating last year's euro estimate converted to USD at today's rates, and comparing today's estimate also converted to USD at today's rates.

when i estimated my cost at the time that i paid 100euros, the euro was worth 1.4 dollars. now, its 1.1 dollars.

long story short, i expected to pay 980$USD, and now its $1089$USD.
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#2404
im not a cambist, and i dont know if my math/economics is correct now or was correct then, but i DO know that ive been expecting to pay roughly 1000$USD all along, and now its 1100$USD.

i was also under the impression, before this, that the estimate of 700 EUR was for the board, not for the complete device. maybe i misunderstood at the time, but thats what i always thought it was.

with the USD=>EUR exchange rate having changed drastically upward {0.7 => 0.9}, i am less affected by the increase, which makes sense since the exchange rate change is the primary source of the problem.

unfortunately, CAD=>EUR did not change anywhere near as much, and in fact, CAD=>USD is currently 1.2, up from 1.1 from last year.

im sorry to say, endsormeans, that your loss is greater, and i deeply respect that youre continuing to support the project.
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#2405
I expected to pay 700 . Now it's going to be 990. That's 40% more. I fear the project is drifting out of my financial range...
 

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#2406
you are correct wolke ...my error in the initial figure...last years valuation at todays rates...
Even still...both the euro and the cdn dollar have stayed pretty much in sync 'tween the euro-slide and the looney-slide...from this time last year until now...all that aside...
I like you was expecting something similar ...
mind I anticipated possibly $1100..$1200..$1300 even...
and didn't bat an eye at that...not a problem...

...but $1725? and that's only with tax?...
no I wasn't expecting that.

To put it in perspective...
the priciest perspective there is...
for that revised estimate ...
In my country...
with only tax applied ...
before necessary shipping...
before necessary handling...
before necessary insurances ...(and damn straight I'd want them)
before duty...
before further possible increased estimates...

would get me a troy ounce of gold....

and I'd still have at least $270 dollars in my pocket.

a troy ounce.
of gold.
is cheaper.

and the final price and additional fees isn't finished...it isn't tabulated yet.

Who wants to start a betting pool that the final grand total hits 2 grand cdn?

I will say this...there are precious precious precious few Canadians...maemoan or otherwise ...who will shuck out this sum....for any handheld device...ever..for allll eternity..
Canadians as a people have more sense.

I will say now exactly what anyone else in my country will say when they hear about my device...they'll say..."why didn't you just get 4 iphone 6 pluses? or 5 galaxy s6 edges on two year contracts?"
they'll say "Is that device coated in a troy ounce of gold?"

The only thing comparable in price at $2000 here is the (Edsel that is going to bury ...) Blackberry....the Blackberry Porsche.

I would not be surprised if I was the only one in my country to still want a Neo900 after this readjusted estimate.
I am most certainly not pleased.
I do know I am bordering on being very upset..
I still believe in the project..
I still support it..
but I am bloody-well hanging by a very very short thread
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-1 no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors)
half a neo900 pre- "bought"....due for production any day now.


PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567

AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#2407
I feel a bit like endsormeans,
When I read the project is made in Europe, I thank something like "Nice ! It will be expensive, but the estimates will not depend too much on change rates".
Thought most of the components were secured before the euro falls, too.

I "reasonably" anticipated to pay between 700 for a board and 850 for a full device. I "feared" I would have to pay something like 1000 for a full device.
Actually, for me (and many European people) it's 1188 (990+20%VAT) or 1368 (990+150+20%VAT).
The increase is really significant : about 500 more than expected, and 350 more than pessimistically estimated.

What makes me affraid is the "Material per unit (NeoN kit) 470 EUR 100 EUR".
It lets me think the increase isn't finished yet
I'm used to pay 10-20 for getting things shipped from Germany but even in this case, it's 400 more than anticipated (more than +50%).
And it could be even more if the NeoN kit is underestimated.

I'm sad because I'm sure you, guys do everything you can to reduce the costs, and I really would like to support more this project, but 400 isn't something I can spend without consequences.
And I wonder how many people have donated and will finally not buy anything...

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#2408
Originally Posted by wolke View Post
i was also under the impression, before this, that the estimate of 700 EUR was for the board, not for the complete device. maybe i misunderstood at the time, but thats what i always thought it was.
Interesting. I, on the other hand, was under the impression that the 700 quote was for the complete device. The price for the board was supposed to be about 150 less. I am almost sure it was mentioned here somewhere, along the Q4/2014 ETA.

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch View Post
I expected to pay 700 . Now it's going to be 990. That's 40% more. I fear the project is drifting out of my financial range...
Amen!

I was a vivid supporter of this project. I even brought a handful of other supporters on board. All despite the series of disaters: the "disagreements" within the team, still not fully explained... spec changes... perpetual delays... demands for more funds... I used to welcome every new post in this thread with excitement, but my excitement has gradually been eroded by a death of a thousand cuts. I recently realized that my heart sinks every time I see this thread popping up in Active Topics. What bad news is going to be this time?

It is time to face the truth that I subconsciously knew was coming but did not want to admit. The chances I might get anything in return for my investemnt are diminishing every day. I may as well consider it written off.

I am sorry. This recent price hike was the last straw.
I am sorry. I no longer have any expectations from this project. If anything comes out of it, I will consider it an unexpected bonus.
I am sorry. I can no longer support this project. I would not feel comfortable to help others to spend money on it.
I am sorry
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#2409
The problem is that I indeed calculated wrong, when I said it will be 40% increased costs. When the project started I wanted to buy a complete device, because I'm not so keen on tinkering on my old N900. Especially because it's screen look quite horrible nowadays and I'm not so skilled in doing things like that.

After reading Bearseakers post, I must now recognize that 990 is just for the board, so it's even more expensive then i thought on the first view.

Sorry to say that, but I think my already paid 150 have become a donation and can't be longer seen as a prepayment.
 

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#2410
Not really sure about the price increase yet. The numbers make perfect sense iff everything was affected by the course changes (R&D, Loan interest?).

What I'm really disappointed in is the lack of transparency (again!) that is shown by the way we got this info.
It took a random eagle-eyed community member to find this piece of info because apparently there is neither an easily accessible link to it on neo900.org, nor an official hint in this thread.
 

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