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#591
Obviously you never noticed the "help" dialogue prompt that inevitably pops up in terminal ...
No I don't. Ever. There is man pages and many other ways to get help, but you still need the commands to find them.

"....More paint to the canvas than to the face..."?
I dare say..."Dabbling" with finger paints will inevitably mean you get it on your face... You must be a talented authority on the arts...
I was referring to a not-an-artist-at-all-person like me, who still could start training painting just by having some paint tubes, a brush and some canvas, and start messing with the paints. Sure, he wouldn't be an artist by no means at this point. Nobody would call his painting a piece of art, not even himself. But at least he would end up with some paint on the canvas (and probably in many other places, like his clothes and face). So he would be more successful than guy trying to guess commands in terminal.

Everyone is an expert and critic on the arts it appears...
That I find overwhelmingly insulting...
Go back to your finger paints ...
So is this the reason? Because you are an artist, you took my words as an insult, when I said that getting started with terminal is more difficult than getting started with doing arts? I had no intention to insult anyone or criticize any kind of arts. I find it awesome that there is people who have the gift/skill of sculpturing, painting, dancing, playing instruments, singing, writing great code, photographing, moviemaking, desinging things etc. Particularly because I have no gift of doing any of those. My first post was exaggerated; I don't really think that coding is the ultimate art. But I still stand behind my words about my original point. That getting started with any of the things I listed above would be easier without source of help, than getting started with using terminal.
 

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#592
Back in the late 1990s, I read an article in some computing magazine where the author argued that command line is more intuitive than a GUI. Their main evidence was a simple experiment. They sat a number of computer illiterate people (presumably those were found more easily in those early days) in front of computers running DOS and Windows and asked them to delete a file. Facing a blank screen with a ">" prompt and a keyboard, most of them eventually figured out the "delete" command. It was less obvious to make a connection between the mysterious gizmo next to the keyboard with a wire hanging from it and an arrow on the screen, and even less so between that and how to use that to delete a file.

IMO that experiment is seriously flawed. Computer illiterate people would have no concept of what a "file" is, let alone how to "delete" it. It would definitely not be their first concern when learning how to use a computer. GUIs have been a tremendous boost, helping countless millions to enter the world of computing, as history has clearly shown. In fact it was the keyboard that has all but disappeared.

Having said that, "just press buttons and see what happens" does not always lead to the nirvana either. I still have not figured out how to do what I consider basic things in image processing, for example make one image transparent and overly it on top another, let's say rotated by 15 for a good measure. I know how to do it in some applications but only because I am quite experienced in those. The next time I sat in front of an unfamiliar application and tried "randomly pressing buttons to see what happens", I ended up giving up in frustration.
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#593
First terminal I ever faced required a manual to operate.
(1970)
possibly the most non-intuitive thing ever created
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This, my dear maemoeans, looks bad. It's absolutely atrocious. I love it:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ne/description


But no word (that I am aware of) on Bootloader or even SoC, so I'd guess there'll be no SFOS etc for it. A pity.
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Originally Posted by velox View Post
This, my dear maemoeans, looks bad. It's absolutely atrocious. I love it:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ne/description
https://i.imgur.com/toArMjK.jpg

But no word (that I am aware of) on Bootloader or even SoC, so I'd guess there'll be no SFOS etc for it. A pity.
Looks like it's made by the same people as the Jelly phone, which was actually released (a good sign!), and which, according to this thread on XDA Developers, has an unlockable bootloader.
 

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#596
Dave999, the latest and greatest is almost here!

https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampprojec...elease-date%2F
 

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Dave999, the latest and greatest is almost here!

https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampprojec...elease-date%2F
Nice but not really usable unless it comes unlockable and can build hybris for it, right?
 

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#598
yea ...saw this new smallest ....a while ago...
unlockable?
great
I am not sure I want a device with a screen even smaller than the display of a n900...
not unless we can use enlightenment or windowmaker to make it usable ...
need some good ideas for end use for this "tic tac"
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#599
speaking of latest...
anyone check out the new lenovo p52 laptop?
128gb of ram...
Just enough for tetris
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PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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That reminds me of the time when the best desktop computers ran on 12 MHz CPUs. A friend started working at DEC and they made super computers running on staggering 40 MHz! I remember we compared that to frequencies of FM radio stations.
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