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#871
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
You might. I donít. I donít really care of specs, design and what not at all atm. All that is completely irrelevant to me currently. Do we even have a project? How is he planning to bring this to the market? Do he have it worked out or do he plan to prototype this and after that looking for support?

Iím not saying chen shall disclose it. But that is something that is more important than technical issues and specs so whatís you thought about that?
You are right that we do not have this information, but your message was suggesting that the statement that Chen "is trying" could be questioned. I don't think we need to look into the books of the company or their development and marketing strategies to tell whether or not they are trying to reach the goal, that is all.

Chen is regularly telling that this task has not been abandoned and that progress is currently being done, he initially polled the community in this thread to check the demand, came up with hardware ideas and shared mock-ups of the theoretical device. Now, he stated that the prototyping stage has started, and he has confirmed/altered some of the initial specs in his later messages. If that is not a project, then I don't know when a project can claim being a project.

One can of course doubt the very premise that Chen is telling the truth, but since he is a famous 10-year member of our community, who on top of that has succeeded producing his previous keyboard mod, the least we could do is to spare him skepticism about his honesty. Especially as he is not even asking money to develop the product he wants to show us. Chen doesn't need anyone to defend himself, but come on, our fragile community should be more welcoming when someone is willing to invest time, sweat and capital into something we want. I would not find a great motivation into doing so if that kind of ambition is rewarded with skepticism and ranting from the community itself.

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#872
Chen has been a busy guy...
And has done some good stuff...
But I beg to differ on the whole "more than anyone" line...
There are a good number of guys long gone who have done quite a bit...
And it will take years and years and years more for Chen to stack up the accolades to go toe to toe with their accomplishments ...
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#873
Originally Posted by Kabouik View Post
You are right that we do not have this information, but your message was suggesting that the statement that Chen "is trying" could be questioned. I don't think we need to look into the books of the company or their development and marketing strategies to tell whether or not they are trying to reach the goal, that is all.

Chen is regularly telling that this task has not been abandoned and that progress is currently being done, he initially polled the community in this thread to check the demand, came up with hardware ideas and shared mock-ups of the theoretical device. Now, he stated that the prototyping stage has started, and he has confirmed/altered some of the initial specs in his later messages. If that is not a project, then I don't know when a project can claim being a project.

One can of course doubt the very premise that Chen is telling the truth, but since he is a famous 10-year member of our community, who on top of that has succeeded producing his previous keyboard mod, the least we could do is to spare him skepticism about his honesty. Especially as he is not even asking money to develop the product he wants to show us. Chen doesn't need anyone to defend himself, but come on, our fragile community should be more welcoming when someone is willing to invest time, sweat and capital into something we want. I would not find a great motivation into doing so if that kind of ambition is rewarded with skepticism and ranting from the community itself.
Yes, and we are here supporting him. What is the issue? Waiting for information whenever itís available. Could it be that you have misread the thread? To me atleast itís obvious that all are hoping that chen will succeed.
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#874
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch View Post
But reading your posts, it seems, [Chen's] biggest mistake was, that he shared his plans in this forum at all.
Now you are just being facetious. Like a teenager who has been told off for leaving dirty bits on washed dishes and exclaiming, "alright then, next time I won't wash anything!"

I, personally, agree that Chen is under no obligation but he certainly is not managing expectations very well. "I am doing something and it will be absolutely fantastic" is a very bad way of handling it, simply because if whatever comes out at the end is even a smidgen below someone's idea of "absolutely fantastic", he will get the flak for failing to deliver on promises.

There are only two ways of handling it properly. Either keep quiet and surprise everyone with a ready product or keep the development absolutely open. Black or white. Gray is an invitation to speculations. I hasten to add that speculations are not Chen's fault but if there is something he can do to prevent them, then why not.
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#875
Not to stray into the realm of speculation...

But I know what is going on...
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#876
Chen's statement is obvious....

"I am doing something and it will be absolutely fantastic"

There is no project ...
He has simply been kidnapped ...
and now...
Donald Trump is here impersonating him..

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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Now you are just being facetious. Like a teenager who has been told off for leaving dirty bits on washed dishes and exclaiming, "alright then, next time I won't wash anything!"

I, personally, agree that Chen is under no obligation but he certainly is not managing expectations very well. "I am doing something and it will be absolutely fantastic" is a very bad way of handling it, simply because if whatever comes out at the end is even a smidgen below someone's idea of "absolutely fantastic", he will get the flak for failing to deliver on promises.

There are only two ways of handling it properly. Either keep quiet and surprise everyone with a ready product or keep the development absolutely open. Black or white. Gray is an invitation to speculations. I hasten to add that speculations are not Chen's fault but if there is something he can do to prevent them, then why not.
you call me facetious because of something you just agree with, some lines later
...well than I'm happy to be facetious
 

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#878
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Yes, and we are here supporting him. What is the issue? Waiting for information whenever itís available. Could it be that you have misread the thread? To me atleast itís obvious that all are hoping that chen will succeed.
You went from comparing (multiple times) Chen's project with yet another Jolla tablet drama, then irony on the impossible schedule and unfeasible goals, then a cynical and skeptical ranting (I got it that it was written to be funny, but your point was still clear), then suggesting that whether or not Chen is actually trying to deliver the product remains to be proven, then admitting that he doesn't have to disclose what is deemed NDA or sensible before there is a prototype to show, and now you are claiming that we are all clearly supporting him. Altogether, those posts are very hard to reconcile and I'm sure I'm not the only one to be a bit surprised by this vision of support.

Also, a search on "Chenliangchen" in this thread quickly shows that he disclosed much more than just "I will deliver something absolutely fantastic. Close your eyes and have trust." Please try, and remember that this thread was just opened exactly one year ago. Chen has postponed his initial plans to work on the device as soon as last year because he decided to finish the Moto Mod first, probably to better allocate time and ressources, get better visibility in the media, and have a demonstrated proof record. Coincidentally, he went away from the initial crowdfunding plan and started prototyping the device without our money. Causal relationship? Absolutely no clue, but at least the change of plan did not compromise the project. Therefore, we are most likely just a few months into development, yet he shared more about his intentions and the final product he is aiming for than with any other non-crowdfunded project. Actually, I'm not even sure all crowdfunding campaigns disclose this much information at such an early stage: they usually have prototypes and images to show before they try to raise funds from the public, but remain silent until that point, meaning the backers know about a project months or years after it was started internally.

In the end, maybe there are only two ways to properly manage expectations (I personally am not convinced it has to be that binary but that is just one opinion and it is not the point), but I find it pretty harsh to call this project closed and secret. The only major interrogation from a user's perspective is the OS, but it's reasonable to assume that compatibility and/or partnerships remain to be confirmed when a first functional prototype is built and the possible user base can be assessed. How Livermorium plan to secure production and finally hit the market is up to them (I suppose they will need to check anyhow what the demand is the beyond niche-TMO to see if it is reasonable to commit to producing thousands of units), and it is our right to have concerns because we hope the device ends up in our hands, but how many companies share their economic strategy to the public and to competitors?

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#879
Iím not dancing around the projects like a fanboy. Iím more like a tornado that twisting around the project I support. That is how I role. Nothing new.

That doesnít mean I donít care for success for qwerty slider and chen.

How do you think we best support the project right here, right now with the info we got?

I think itís a great idea to keep this thread bizzy until chen arrives.
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#880
I think Chen is doing the smart thing.
given the nightmare of how things turn out here...

rather than incremental updates for everyone to pick over.

Showing and making available a product ...
after it is done..
makes sense.
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