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2010-08-05
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#12
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Originally Posted by CommunityCouncil
I'm flabbergasted at this!
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It will come as a surprise for many community members and users that
Python is still not an officially supported language/runtime on the Maemo nor
MeeGo platforms, despite the huge number of* Python applications currently
in Extras, and even though they base on the work of Nokia's own PyMaemo
team, plus two Qt bindings and a GTK+/Hildon one. To put things in
perspective, about a third of ALL stable Maemo applications are written in
Python, both overall and those using Qt.
...Python software is not admissible to
Ovi (regardless of being free or not)....
Link: Original article.
This should really be a matter of the utmost urgency.
The last thing Nokia need it to discourage developers contributing software to the platform as well as the OVI store.
about a third of ALL stable Maemo applications are written in
Python, both overall and those using Qt.
I can't wait for Nokia's response to this.
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2010-08-05
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#13
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Originally Posted by vivainio
It would be nice and re-assuring to get a formal response from Nokia on this.
There is no fight, just something that hasn't been done yet due to technical reasons (ovi store deployment for N900 is not an entirely finalized process).
EDIT: I mean there is no fight *yet* ;-). Of course Ovi store or fremantle platfom guys can still object. But I haven't heard anything that suggests there would be a "strategic" decision not to do this.
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2010-08-06
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@ Stockholm, Sweden
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#14
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Originally Posted by johnel
From http://maemo.org/community/council/o...eego_platform/
It would be nice and re-assuring to get a formal response from Nokia on this.
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My colleague Ronan and myself are taking this open letter and bringing it to the Ovi team to see what is the official standpoint now and in the future.
Where do you want to continue this discussion?
2010-08-05 15:49 UTC
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2010-08-06
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#15
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This is exactly kind of stuff what I expect council to do here. Great job! Letīs hope that we got some sort of solution or at least clear answer.
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2010-08-09
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#16
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Originally Posted by johnel
Still working on it.
It would be nice and re-assuring to get a formal response from Nokia on this.
The current and default position is clear: Ovi supports the toolkits supported officially by Nokia and these are Qt, Web Runtime, Hildon (Maemo 5) and Java (Series 40).
The discussion is whether Ovi could host toolkits not officially supported (meaning supported by someone else) and not pre-installed in the device, so they could be used as dependencies by apps in the Ovi store depending on them.
More details in this discussion:
- Is Python support the solution or is it a process in place to accept new toolkits?
- What Python support are we talking about? PyMaemo, PySide and/or PyQt?
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2010-08-09
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#17
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Originally Posted by qgil
Eevn that contains a surprising snippet - Ovi supports Hildon applications ? How do you submit them ? All the non-Qt applications were inserted on a case-by-case basis either before Ovi for the N900 launched or AFAIK in direct cooperation with Nokia. So while we are at it, more info about this welcome.
The current and default position is clear: Ovi supports the toolkits supported officially by Nokia and these are Qt, Web Runtime, Hildon (Maemo 5) and Java (Series 40).
The discussion is whether Ovi could host toolkits not officially supported (meaning supported by someone else) and not pre-installed in the device, so they could be used as dependencies by apps in the Ovi store depending on them.
- Is Python support the solution or is it a process in place to accept new toolkits?
- What Python support are we talking about? PyMaemo, PySide and/or PyQt?
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2010-08-11
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#18
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Originally Posted by attila77
It's not a signal, it's a screwup that has already been escalated.
Even there, signals are mixed, for example Qt Mobility is 'official' and is in Nokia repositories, but isn't supported by Ovi. From the outside, it simply looks random what the supported library selection is.
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2010-08-14
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#19
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Quick report before welcoming the weekend...
Some progress was done this week. vivainio has done a great job defining a polishing a technical proposal to offer PyMaemo 'silent support' for Maemo 5 apps. And we have learned that there is a plan to offer PySide also silently for MeeGo-Harmattan apps.
Trying to get a decision about PyMaemo for Maemo 5 apps, then.
Note that the rationale behind this goes around the fact that Python and PySide are already being maintained for testing/infra related purposes. The fact that they are also useful from a 3rd party developer point of view is like a bonus and we don't have any interest distracting developers from the main focus: Web Runtime & Qt.
Looking forward to decisions, hopefully next week. We hope this becomes a good compromise between the community developers interested in Ovi but not the official toolkits and the Nokia/Ovi strategy of clearly focusing in one native environment and one runtime.
Some progress was done this week. vivainio has done a great job defining a polishing a technical proposal to offer PyMaemo 'silent support' for Maemo 5 apps. And we have learned that there is a plan to offer PySide also silently for MeeGo-Harmattan apps.
Trying to get a decision about PyMaemo for Maemo 5 apps, then.
Note that the rationale behind this goes around the fact that Python and PySide are already being maintained for testing/infra related purposes. The fact that they are also useful from a 3rd party developer point of view is like a bonus and we don't have any interest distracting developers from the main focus: Web Runtime & Qt.
Looking forward to decisions, hopefully next week. We hope this becomes a good compromise between the community developers interested in Ovi but not the official toolkits and the Nokia/Ovi strategy of clearly focusing in one native environment and one runtime.
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