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	danramos	2010-04-27 , 22:16
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

Right, so, you can keep on arguing and moaning about this, but please do it in another thread. This is a thread for making things happen, not to moan about the past. Feel free to fork the thread and have these arguments in the new thread and I'll gladly engage in this discussion there- let's not hijack this thread for this.

I've set up a review thread for my work, feel free to do it there.

Fair enough, wouldn't want to slow anything down.

Thanks for the link! My apologies for visiting this thread with my little black raincloud. I want to at least make it known that I wish you excellent and speedy success in this endeavor--it'll be good for everyone all-around.

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	qole	2010-04-29 , 23:04
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Here are the hurdles for me:
1) No N800 MeeGo kernel yet
2) No way to dual-boot with two separate kernels (Diablo / MeeGo)

If you guys get an N800 MeeGo kernel built, and there was a way to dual-boot to MeeGo / Diablo, I'd be interested in testing, perhaps even trying to get an LXDE UI on there.

(EDIT: If you can walk me through a not-too-painful way to flash the kernel back-and-forth without toasting my bootmenu or any of my installs, I could work with that)

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buurmas	2010-04-30 , 03:08
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Originally Posted by qole

2) No way to dual-boot with two separate kernels (Diablo / MeeGo)

Woah -- this is news to me. I was hoping to dual boot between Diablo and MeeGo. Was I naive in thinking this?

The problem is that I use my N810 every day. If an experimental OS can't dual-boot, then I probably won't be able to install it on my N810 until it has a fairly high level of usability. (Unless I decide to go on an N810 fast.) The thing I liked so much about Mer was that I could put the latest image on my internal memory card, boot to it, see how much I could get to work, and the go back to good ol' Diablo for podcasts, audio, e-mail, RSS, Web surfing, etc.

Not being able to dual boot would make it hard for people like me to contribute. I suppose I could just back everything up & then reflash... But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.

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	Texrat	2010-04-30 , 03:53
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Originally Posted by silvermountain

I also can't help but to feel frustrated and wonder what could had been accomplished with a more structured/focused approach.

Same here, but I also wonder how much of a structured approach was even possible. I suspect it was destined to be an exploratory, iterative experiment no matter how hard the team tried to wrap structure around it.

Having worked in R&D, production, change management, etc, I've seen all kinds. Some projects lend themselves very well to an orderly approach. Some resist mightily. Trick is to identify early on what is most appropriate and do your damndest to make it happen and not fight what's right.

And if it doesn't succeed, make sure the lessons learned aren't lost. Today's failures might be seeds for some wonderful innovation tomorrow. Thomas Edison would tell you.

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	Stskeeps	2010-04-30 , 12:17
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Originally Posted by qole

Here are the hurdles for me:
1) No N800 MeeGo kernel yet
2) No way to dual-boot with two separate kernels (Diablo / MeeGo)

If you guys get an N800 MeeGo kernel built, and there was a way to dual-boot to MeeGo / Diablo, I'd be interested in testing, perhaps even trying to get an LXDE UI on there.

(EDIT: If you can walk me through a not-too-painful way to flash the kernel back-and-forth without toasting my bootmenu or any of my installs, I could work with that)

There's possibility that the same fixes that went in for N900 might help on kexec on N8x0. But let's see. Honestly, I'm waiting for MeeGo 1.0 so we have proper expectations and a base to start from.

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buurmas	2010-05-01 , 12:38
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

There's possibility that the same fixes that went in for N900 might help on kexec on N8x0. But let's see. Honestly, I'm waiting for MeeGo 1.0 so we have proper expectations and a base to start from.

Re: the N900, I just saw this encouraging thread:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634437

	Stskeeps	2010-05-11 , 19:31
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This announcement might also be interesting for those wanting MeeGo on N8x0:

http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ay/002131.html

(Yes, some CSS to linewrap would be nice)

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SD69	2010-05-12 , 22:03
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

This announcement might also be interesting for those wanting MeeGo on N8x0:

http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ay/002131.html

(Yes, some CSS to linewrap would be nice)

I'm happy to see the effort. But I may be missing something. How does that project improve the chances of Meego on N8x0?

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	Stskeeps	2010-05-13 , 05:16
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Originally Posted by SD69

I'm happy to see the effort. But I may be missing something. How does that project improve the chances of Meego on N8x0?

The hardware adaptations are fairly similar and we have a straight link to a team that deals with the same problems and challenges regarding the closed binaries. As well as a IRC channel for discussing/developing all things MeeGo ARM. That, and that I'm part of that team.

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SD69	2010-05-13 , 13:00
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

The hardware adaptations are fairly similar and we have a straight link to a team that deals with the same problems and challenges regarding the closed binaries. As well as a IRC channel for discussing/developing all things MeeGo ARM. That, and that I'm part of that team.

Both ARM based sure, but do you remember the whole "we can't have Fremantle on the N8x0 devices because of the HW differences" thing? And aren't the closed binaries on N900 different than those on the N8x0 devices?

Don't mean to discuss it here. I'll try to catch up with you on IRC.

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