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Originally Posted by hardy_magnus
Again, it depends on the definitions; "internet security" is very well achievable; it is mostly based on what is your "internet"
moral of the story: internet security is a myth
My definition of internet is the hosts reachable via routable IP protocol family. It is pretty easy to arrange the routing so that the originating host is hidden from both the target host and any given intermediate host. (that's called onion routing, btw
)On the other hand, if your definition of internet is connection to some service that you need to authenticate to use, then of course there is no way you can remain anonymous. (this encompasses almost all social media or messenger-type applications)
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Originally Posted by juiceme
Care to point out a device that does this today? (First part)
Again, it depends on the definitions; "internet security" is very well achievable; it is mostly based on what is your "internet"
My definition of internet is the hosts reachable via routable IP protocol family. It is pretty easy to arrange the routing so that the originating host is hidden from both the target host and any given intermediate host. (that's called onion routing, btw
On the other hand, if your definition of internet is connection to some service that you need to authenticate to use, then of course there is no way you can remain anonymous. (this encompasses almost all social media or messenger-type applications)
Because to me, Internet Security means that my own device does not also report out on my usage without my knowledge. And I mean before adding social media, email... you know, stuff that people use the Internet for.
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2017-04-23
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Maybe you think that I am too trusting then as I consider my computers secure devices by default?
Care to point out a device that does this today? (First part)
Because to me, Internet Security means that my own device does not also report out on my usage without my knowledge. And I mean before adding social media, email... you know, stuff that people use the Internet for.
Sure, in theory it is possible that hardware is compromised on a level undetectable to my OS but I just have to trust that my use of varying HW helps to protect against that; if there would be malicious dataleaks in some device I would have noiticed the traffic from other devices.
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It's not about being too trusting. I am actually asking about hardware and software you'd trust. I don't even trust the GSM baseband to be honest. But if you know more than I (easily doable) I'm curious.
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Originally Posted by juiceme
Well internet security is achievable only if u use special linux os Something like TAILS forked from debian, not sure about vpn or tor ( onion routing). Using tor doesn't mean u r totally secure, when the connection comes out of tor network it is an unencrypted thing that connects to the destination (server). And i have read that government can peel the Onion layers if they want.
Again, it depends on the definitions; "internet security" is very well achievable; it is mostly based on what is your "internet"
My definition of internet is the hosts reachable via routable IP protocol family. It is pretty easy to arrange the routing so that the originating host is hidden from both the target host and any given intermediate host. (that's called onion routing, btw
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2017-04-24
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Originally Posted by gerbick
You are correct there; the modern tendency on the integrated SoC with baseband processor having DMA access to the OM memory space is bad, and made worse that it actually requires the OM to run part of the BB code (which of course is totally closed)
It's not about being too trusting. I am actually asking about hardware and software you'd trust. I don't even trust the GSM baseband to be honest. But if you know more than I (easily doable) I'm curious.
To make matters worse the SoC IP vendors are not the most trustworthy companies out there; the most successful is an offsoot of the US military and the rest are Chinese; your call on which you'd like to place your trust on!
This can be amended by having the network-related parts in totally different HW; like in a laptop you have the 4G modem separate from the computer in an USB dongle. Also some tablets do have separate the internal modem but for phones, I know of only one design that is following this pattern and as we all know it is making very slow progress at the moment
In any case, the mobile networks can of course track and identify you because that is how the network is supposed to work. You can only try to use encryption on all traffic you send through the networks, you cannot hide that you are communicating.
As for trust; yes I do trust my computers which don't have integrated-baseband modems in them; because I have a *lots* of computers, and they are pretty old
It is possible that every possible piece of HW in the world is compromised byt I find that scenario unlikely. There are lots of people around looking at these things and they would be noticed.
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Originally Posted by hardy_magnus
TAILS is good solution but it is of course not the only one. What's good about TAILS is that it is put together such way that also people who don't understand security can use it pretty effectively (except when they of course do the shitstupid thing and use it to connect to their favourite social media feeds)
Well internet security is achievable only if u use special linux os Something like TAILS forked from debian, not sure about vpn or tor ( onion routing). Using tor doesn't mean u r totally secure, when the connection comes out of tor network it is an unencrypted thing that connects to the destination (server). And i have read that government can peel the Onion layers if they want.
As it happens, Tor is very secure and cannot be currently peeled; there are too many exit nodes for any one government to cover. All the cases where Tor users have been tracked/busted/identified are due to information leaked via side channels.
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Originally Posted by hardy_magnus
i take my words back, sorry folks, android is not for me.
i am finding android to be usable now (using extended aosp 7.1.1, redmi 2 prime) and my experience with android is pretty much ok but it was worse back in the day.
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i know android but very little about sailfish and things that u dont understand or you are strange to you either fear or you keep distance from that.
infact sailfish is cool but jolla could make it way more cooler.
And after using andr*id for a month i think i will give andr*id more priority over sailfish, boring but gets the work done. it doesnot mean i will kick sailfish out but i will use it as a sidekick.
moral of the story: internet security is a myth
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