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2015-04-15
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You are way too optimistic if you assume that Sail 2.0 will be available in May. At the current rate, the more realistic estimate is late August. Unless they take another well deserved break. In which case, October. Maybe.
I think the problem is they try to make monolitic releases. There is nothing to stop them releasing updates to e.g. Browser or Exchange independently from the core OS but for some reason they want to dump the whole shebang in one go. Smaller incremental releases would give a betterillusion impression of progress and keep noisy and inpatient customers like Dave999 happy.
I think the problem is they try to make monolitic releases. There is nothing to stop them releasing updates to e.g. Browser or Exchange independently from the core OS but for some reason they want to dump the whole shebang in one go. Smaller incremental releases would give a better
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2015-04-15
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Originally Posted by pichlo
I totally agree, not particularly for new features but at least for bug fixes. The current status of the calendar and the synchronisation with Google, is this is pretty unusable. A shame for a smartphone. Some fixes are already commited upstream, so it's just up to Jolla to spread them.
You are way too optimistic if you assume that Sail 2.0 will be available in May. At the current rate, the more realistic estimate is late August. Unless they take another well deserved break. In which case, October. Maybe.
I think the problem is they try to make monolitic releases. There is nothing to stop them releasing updates to e.g. Browser or Exchange independently from the core OS but for some reason they want to dump the whole shebang in one go. Smaller incremental releases would give a betterillusionimpression of progress and keep noisy and inpatient customers like Dave999 happy.
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2015-04-15
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Honestly, Jolla release is just a mess.
I also own a BQ device and moving to a developer channel is very easy and allow everyone to follow up to date progress.
So you can, either be on a developpers channel, a rc channel or a release channel.
It is up to you to choose the one you want.
I found this is something really great from Ubuntu and on which, Jolla should take example.
I also own a BQ device and moving to a developer channel is very easy and allow everyone to follow up to date progress.
So you can, either be on a developpers channel, a rc channel or a release channel.
It is up to you to choose the one you want.
I found this is something really great from Ubuntu and on which, Jolla should take example.
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2015-04-15
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You know me. Always too optimistic until proven guilty.
Channel like a "branch" or like an IRC channel? But you still have to do manual updates?
Ok...you are talking about image channels.
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/star...mage-channels/
Can you preselected channel and then automatically keep the phone update with that channel?
Ah ha. It looks quite nice...more like n900 updates...options.
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Channel like a "branch" or like an IRC channel? But you still have to do manual updates?
Ok...you are talking about image channels.
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/star...mage-channels/
Can you preselected channel and then automatically keep the phone update with that channel?
Ah ha. It looks quite nice...more like n900 updates...options.
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2015-04-15
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#236
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Been there, asked that...
I think the problem is they try to make monolitic releases. There is nothing to stop them releasing updates to e.g. Browser or Exchange independently from the core OS but for some reason they want to dump the whole shebang in one go. Smaller incremental releases would give a betterillusionimpression of progress and keep noisy and inpatient customers like Dave999 happy.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=180
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=211
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=212
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=219
etc..
While I do concede making non-monolithic releases is HARD (TM), and virtually the only GNU/Linux distribution where this actually works is my beloved Gentoo*, I still think anything would be an improvement over the current "surprise mentality".
* Because API problems are slightly less common than ABI ones.
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2015-04-15
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I think that monolithic releases are a good thing for an obvious reason - publicity. You keep users excited when they know they have something bigger to look forward to, than just random frequent small changes to default apps.
Press is much more likely going to notice bigger changes once per 1-2 months, rather than small changes scattered across time (and yes, there has been press coverage of SailfishOS upgrades, at least on some tech-focused sites).
Even regular users that are not excited from waiting for an upgrade will prefer reading a changelog once per month or two to finding out something has changed in the system every once in a while.
PS: I am saying that as a long time Archlinux user
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Press is much more likely going to notice bigger changes once per 1-2 months, rather than small changes scattered across time (and yes, there has been press coverage of SailfishOS upgrades, at least on some tech-focused sites).
Even regular users that are not excited from waiting for an upgrade will prefer reading a changelog once per month or two to finding out something has changed in the system every once in a while.
PS: I am saying that as a long time Archlinux user
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2015-04-15
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@nodevel: I agree with you, but I also agree with pichlo. Therefore, I suggest something in between:
2 channels - fast and slow, kinda like the current 'rings' on Windows 10. People on the slow channel will get monolithic releases like you suggest while people on the fast channel will get regular app updates like pichlo suggest with small changes and stuff.
2 channels - fast and slow, kinda like the current 'rings' on Windows 10. People on the slow channel will get monolithic releases like you suggest while people on the fast channel will get regular app updates like pichlo suggest with small changes and stuff.
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2015-04-15
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@ Grenoble, France
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Originally Posted by Dave999
You know me. Always too optimistic until proven guilty.
Channel like a "branch" or like an IRC channel? But you still have to do manual updates?
Ok...you are talking about image channels.
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/star...mage-channels/
Can you preselected channel and then automatically keep the phone update with that channel?
Ah ha. It looks quite nice...more like n900 updates...options.
I'm talking about image channels. Once a channel is selected and flashed for the 1st, then you receive all updates from OTA
.So everyday, my BQ phone receives an OTA update
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2015-04-16
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Re this discussion (see the 8 posts before mine), I put it directly to Jolla:
https://twitter.com/JediTWang/status/588277949348057088
https://twitter.com/JediTWang/status/588277949348057088
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
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