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	Estel	2014-09-01 , 20:27
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Originally Posted by Win7Mac

This thread was meant to find a consensus, basically with YOU, since you're THE ONLY ONE so far who refused to accept MC eV for what it is:
It is not the Cashier only, as much as that would be wishful for some reason or not. It is OUR organization and the operator of this site, with all legal consequences.

Out of curiosity, why finding consensus with said person is even necessary? Not that I'm against consensus or mediation, but history has proven - since any attempts to mediate between him and SD69 - that it's a pure waste of time. I remember trying to mediate myself, and all concern joerg ever had was that I might be "running the show, now". Presumably, stealing from him

Really, that person lives in completely different realm of existence. Don't bother.

If consensus with joerg as a must, then we can already pack things and turn lights out. Otherwise, if indeed he is the only one trying to block things in the Board/Council, just push changes over him via majority of votes, please. The sooner that person is kept away from any organizational things related to Maemo, the bigger chance for survival of Community, in any form.

Back to my question from last post:
Any roadmap with dates of changes being applied/voting dates, etc? I hope we're talking about real changes with realistic deadlines, not just getting another topic to prove who is responsible for the mess. We know the latter, already, now it's time to move on.

/Estel

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nieldk	2014-09-01 , 20:35
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Originally Posted by Estel

Out of curiosity, why finding consensus with said person is even necessary? Not that I'm against consensus or mediation, but history has proven - since any attempts to mediate between him and SD69 - that it's a pure waste of time. I remember trying to mediate myself, and all concern joerg ever had was that I might be "running the show, now". Presumably, stealing from him Really, that person lives in completely different realm of existence. Don't bother.

If consensus with joerg as a must, then we can already pack things and turn lights out. Otherwise, if indeed he is the only one trying to block things in the Board/Council, just push changes over him via majority of votes, please. The sooner that person is kept away from any organizational things related to Maemo, the bigger chance for survival of Community, in any form.

Back to my question from last post:
Any roadmap with dates of changes being applied/voting dates, etc? I hope we're talking about real changes with realistic deadlines, not just getting another topic to prove who is responsible for the mess. We know the latter, already, now it's time to move on.

/Estel

This is one of the most rightly posts I have seen, expect from win7mac trying to elaborate on what is needed.

I didnt want to post anything to ignite a fire here, as I believe this is something that needs to be sorted out in board and council meetings.
Yes, Joerg is a valuable asset, and actions that would take him out of his imaginary dream position, will make him leave, and obviously appear again.
But, it is damaging to the future of this community, and honestly, any 'normal' company would have eliminated the poisin before it came this far. Nobody is that important that a company cant live without him, but one person can mean the dead of a company.

I think win7mac have stressed the necessary actions needed, as well as what is required - by law - to form the necessary verein (eV).

It is not as simple as Joerg wants it to be, the eV is a legally responsible organ, and people can be put to prison if wrong decisions are made.

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	www.rzr.online.fr	2014-09-01 , 20:40
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In whatever dimension "that person" is living , he has been elected by community so I guess your words are also harming the voters ... not that I am against freedom of speech ... but this is not making council job easier...

We "lost" one valuable member today so please help to sort out this situation and please avoid to throw oil in the fire ...

In other words be constructive or ignored ....

So to move on . a short description of MC eV is welcome on Wiki ... does this sound good for a start ?

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	Dave999	2014-09-01 , 20:42
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Prison? Seriously. What are you doing on these meetings?

I don't understand what's going on in this thread. What's going on here. Is it a power struggle or a real issue? If so what is the issue?

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nieldk	2014-09-01 , 20:46
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Prison? Seriously. What are you doing on these meetings?

Not anything that would put anyone to prison, yet.
But, being a legally registered entity (verein) involves a risk of (worst case) being sentenced to jail, yes indeed.
There are many responsibilities for the board of an eV, one is the consequence of doing something illegal - an example could perhaps be if TMO is distributing pirated software.

Dont take this easy

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nieldk	2014-09-01 , 20:47
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Originally Posted by www.rzr.online.fr

In whatever dimension "that person" is living , he has been elected by community so I guess your words are also harming the voters ... not that I am against freedom of speech ... but this is not making council job easier...

We "lost" one valuable member today so please help to sort out this situation and please avoid to throw oil in the fire ...

In other words be constructive or ignored ....

So to move on . a short description of MC eV is welcome on Wiki ... does this sound good for a start ?

While your statement is true, so is mine. One persons acts can be fatal.

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	Win7Mac	2014-09-01 , 20:48
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Originally Posted by www.rzr.online.fr

harming the voters

???
Hopefully opening their eyes!

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	www.rzr.online.fr	2014-09-01 , 20:56
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Originally Posted by Win7Mac

???
Hopefully opening their eyes!

Then, I would use a different strategy for a such goal ... this is making the whole thing more confuse every day ... to my eyes at least, am I the only one who does not see the direction of light in this tunnel ?

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	Estel	2014-09-01 , 21:12
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No one is saying that joerg's mandate is invalid. He got voted in, so he have one vote in the body he was elected for - that's fine. Just outvote him, and get over it - decisions by majority of votes were inventedd for a purpose. Like, exactly such situations.

Still seing any "harming the voters" here? I don't.

/Estel