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#31
Originally Posted by jenix View Post
So, what does you app do now? I'm pretty sure SFOS handles my identities and private keys very well with the default unix-based tools, thank you very much.

Which "blockchain based services" should I be able to access now? And which benifits do they bring over conventional services, already available today?
I'm sorry but this sounds like another ******** bingo project which only exists because most of the people do not seem to understand the concept behind blockchain-based crypto currencies. The only advantage of crypto currencies like BTC, being able to pay anonymously is long clouded by the many disadvantages like high-risk, unstable prices, transaction fees making daily useage unfeasible and shitty wallet services / softwares losing the funds of their users all the time.
Sure, there are some interesting approaches for the blockchain idea in science, but there still does not exist a single idea for a legit, everyday service based on this technology which convinces me. Instead, this feels more and more like a scam, like its "Dot Com" all over again.

But here is your chance to convince me.
******** bingo is awesome.

This is far from being such a project. I fully agree that the current state of things is crazy and this is part of the reason why we're doing a project to genuinely make it a proper out of box experience. I even get confused with some of the setups needed - I even randomly found 250 EUR worth of Bitcoin I had totally forgotten I had. It's like the amount of manual work to get mobile internet working back in the day.

How about you send me a private message on here and we'll have a more real-time conversation on some medium (Telegram? IRC?); and then gather our thoughts and differing views into a post for the rest?
 

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#32
Originally Posted by Watchmaker View Post
I have plenty of Android apps that run full screen on my tablet, so this is no proof to my eyes.


Ok, now I see it but it was not that easy to see and also it is not exactly part of the UI (just to nitpick a bit )


But at the same time, no "real" Sailfish UI element anywhere (pulleys, glass-effect app background, app navigation by swipes, etc.). I now see that you probably are right, but I still think it is not that crystal clear! Anyway, if so, better.
At 1:02 you can see Lipstic Multitasking UI in background.
 

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Originally Posted by Naecken View Post
At 1:02 you can see Lipstic Multitasking UI in background.
You guys are putting way too much weight into props (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatrical_property ) used for a recording a movie to get a point across.

I'll let you know when we can show something you can touch and feel and try out in person.
 

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I've had very limited experience with crypto currencies and remain unconvinced. I enabled payment by bitcoin a few years back and all I got was 'people' wanting to host awful porn or stolen software licences.

Also, this could be scaremongering from Visa but when you read that bitcoin mining uses more electricity than Ireland or 5 times Europe's largest windfarm, you have to wonder WTF we're doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ricity-ireland

So, convince me. Why is this a good idea? What purpose does it serve?

And then we've got to get past the disappointment of Jolla's delivery.
 

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Originally Posted by aegis View Post
Also, this could be scaremongering from Visa but when you read that bitcoin mining uses more electricity than Ireland or 5 times Europe's largest windfarm, you have to wonder WTF we're doing.
Indeed bitcoin uses a lot of electricity for the mining, but the world of cryptocurrencies extends far beyond what bitcoin has to offer. In many ways bitcoin is starting to look a bit archaic compared to some newer offerings.

So why is this a good idea? with things like ethereum tokens you can design your own economy and incentive structures and see if it works. Normally this kind of economic experimentation has only been the area of governments who are naturally conservative about these things so it will be interesting to see what people will come up with.

One of the things Zipper is interested in is economies around ideas and creating incentive structures to make those ideas a reality through spontaneous collaboration rather than winner-takes-all competition.
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Originally Posted by aegis View Post
I've had very limited experience with crypto currencies and remain unconvinced. I enabled payment by bitcoin a few years back and all I got was 'people' wanting to host awful porn or stolen software licences.

Also, this could be scaremongering from Visa but when you read that bitcoin mining uses more electricity than Ireland or 5 times Europe's largest windfarm, you have to wonder WTF we're doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ricity-ireland

So, convince me. Why is this a good idea? What purpose does it serve?

And then we've got to get past the disappointment of Jolla's delivery.
Valid concerns, but as generation of clean energy increases year on year and the performance over power consumption increases I don't think this is much of an issue.

I can understand your disappointment with Jolla, the financial difficulties they had previously. I know they try very hard to keep everyone happy with what limited resources they have. This project isn't a Jolla project, it is a new endeavor, there is no hardware manufacturer to impede Zippers' progress, like there was with the Jolla 1 and tablet projects, which cost the company so much in time, resources and money.

We are working with known factors, the Xperia program from Jolla has so far been a success and is working beautifully as I understand it. You have to remember Zipper is delivering a software solution, utilizing modern hardware which is already available. Developing APKs and RPMs to run on normal devices and tailoring builds for the Xperia to prove that it is possible to build a hardware wallet with adequate security to bring blockchain markets to the day-to-day mobile user.

Jolla's involvement will be to help build this vision, as they have the expertise in the hardware adaptations and platform parts Zipper needs.
 

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Hah! What did I just see! For one second I read "Community Ambassador - Jolla "

Say what you want, but IMO this would be the solution for Jolla's paid app in the harbour.

@StsKeeps, as this is ethereum based, is there an sdk available?
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First up, thanks for your reply.

Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
This is far from being such a project. I fully agree that the current state of things is crazy and this is part of the reason why we're doing a project to genuinely make it a proper out of box experience. I even get confused with some of the setups needed - I even randomly found 250 EUR worth of Bitcoin I had totally forgotten I had. It's like the amount of manual work to get mobile internet working back in the day.
So again, what is your use case here? Providing (another) wallet that user can use for micropayments? How is this to work out when you bind yourself to Etherium, which already became involved in high-risk speculative investments, because people greedily hoping that it will become the new Bitcoin? How can I use virtual currency which value is changing rapidly in short periods of time, so the rate may be double or half by tomorrow? How can I be convinced in the value of virtual numbers which are not backed by real world values (like federal banks and countries for real world currency or company inventory for stocks) and which can simply vanish?
Unfortunately, your statement ("Hey, I just found some BTC with value which were worth **** some time ago") points in exactly the direction of speculative investment with the hope of increasing rates.

How about you send me a private message on here and we'll have a more real-time conversation on some medium (Telegram? IRC?); and then gather our thoughts and differing views into a post for the rest?
Since I'm not convinced by the bases your business relies on, I'm quite sure we won't find any common grounds, and that's ok. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you found a topic the interests you and that you see as opportunity for your business - that's great. I, on the other hand, see quite some potential issues that I want to point out, so the people who are not familiar with blockchain-based projects can make an educated decision.
I may be wrong (which I hope), you may be wrong (which I'm not hoping) - only time will tell.
 

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Originally Posted by jenix View Post
First up, thanks for your reply.



So again, what is your use case here? Providing (another) wallet that user can use for micropayments? How is this to work out when you bind yourself to Etherium, which already became involved in high-risk speculative investments, because people greedily hoping that it will become the new Bitcoin? How can I use virtual currency which value is changing rapidly in short periods of time, so the rate may be double or half by tomorrow? How can I be convinced in the value of virtual numbers which are not backed by real world values (like federal banks and countries for real world currency or company inventory for stocks) and which can simply vanish?
Unfortunately, your statement ("Hey, I just found some BTC with value which were worth **** some time ago") points in exactly the direction of speculative investment with the hope of increasing rates.



Since I'm not convinced by the bases your business relies on, I'm quite sure we won't find any common grounds, and that's ok. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you found a topic the interests you and that you see as opportunity for your business - that's great. I, on the other hand, see quite some potential issues that I want to point out, so the people who are not familiar with blockchain-based projects can make an educated decision.
I may be wrong (which I hope), you may be wrong (which I'm not hoping) - only time will tell.
Out of interest, did you read the whitepaper?
 

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Another project from same people who never finish what they started and open new projects
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