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#3101
I would refrain from commenting on the Neo as it would only set me off again.

But on the topic of Raspberry Pi and the like...

I never liked any DIY solutions based on Pi because they are all waaaay too clunky. The boards are not exactly designed for a pocket use.

BUT - isn't the design open-source? So in theory, one can design one's own board that would be much more convenient for a mobile phone form factor. With the advantage that it could run a completely unmodified OS.
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Most posters are claiming the device will be obsolete when/if it's out, but it is hard to reconcile with the conversation a couple pages ago about how softwares are stupidly designed to waste all available resources instead of being frugal. For an open device like the Neo900 that is not made to use a mainstream OS but rather promote it's own ecosystem, or most probably build on the ruins of Maemo using Maemo Leste, I don't see why a the handful of coders who will own a Neo900 would necessarily adopt the same strategy as Android developers. Maemo applications were probably not optimal, but I doubt they were made to waste resources as they could have if they were made for an OS with a new flagship phone more powerful than a tablet every month.

Running Android applications in Replicant or desktop applications in Linux might be a different story, but I wouldn't call that obsolete as long as they can run, just not with the best performance. Heavy websites could be another issue, but it's hard to tell before knowing which browser the Neo900 will use.

The Neo900 won't be the fastest device available, but performance is not really the selling point. At least it is not anymore, it is true that we all signed for a N900 with better CPU, better RAM and better modem when it was announced, but there were already more powerful devices on the market. It seems that the security/privacy/openness parts took a lot of time and sweat in the development of the device, and now, with mainstream phones, we have been used to performance boosts that are more striking than the one we were hoping for at the time for the Neo900, but we are not renewing a Samsung Galaxy for its successor. Re-actualized hardware and performance were just one of the points. A significant one, true.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should commit with the down payment when we know the amount and the timetable. It is hard for me as well to decide what to do. I'm not a coder nor a hacker, the Neo900 that was once a way to revive my N900 romance now has become either a pricey gadget that I will hardly use as a daily device, or a real tool for people that rely on the unrivaled security and privacy it will provide. I don't depend on the security and privacy but I would happily use a device that promote them and better protect me, same reason why I'm not using Android or iOS, even though Sailfish is not perfect in that regard, it's a good balance between openness/usability/privacy. The Neo900 pushes the cursor further, and if the usability is still good enough for an average Joe like me that don't code or hack, then I'm still highly interested in that.

In any case, remember that it is a small project run by few people, few resources, and ambitious goals. No matter how impatient we are (it's longer than initially planned so I think impatience is fair), significant progress has been done despite multiple traps on the way, and Joerg has not run to the Bahamas with the money. It would probably have been easier for him than reading this thread and keep his motivation to work on the device and get new people onboard with him. As years pass, hardware is becoming very secondary so I understand that they would want to promote the other selling points and deliver something that properly covers the other game changers that the Neo900 team was targeting.

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#3103
Originally Posted by Kabouik View Post
In any case, remember that it is a small project run by few people, few resources, and ambitious goals. No matter how impatient we are (it's longer than initially planned so I think impatience is fair), significant progress has been done despite multiple traps on the way, and Joerg has not run to the Bahamas with the money. It would probably have been easier for him than reading this thread and keep his motivation to work on the device and get new people onboard with him.
I am sure Joerg is just as disappointed as the rest of us this is taking so long. But the difference is he has already got significant funding to deliver the product, and has failed to deliver. If underestimating the available resources or necessary funds to complete is an issue, unfortunately that is the mistake of the project team, not the backers. The fact is that product has not been delivered and so the skepticism of it ever being delivered is high.
 

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#3104
A great post for 2013....Kabouik...
It belongs there...
Not now...

The neo isn't the only game in town any more.
There are other options for linux based phones now...
Sure some work is needed on them here and there...
But they are progressing ...
And in use now...
Not half a decade later...

And lets just back up a bit....
Ok...forget even about a piphone diy for under $300

Sure...lets talk about the incredible nich3 nature of the $2000 and counting ...yet to be completed...produced and shipped neo....
That will run straight linux or...Leste ...I would imagine...once enough work has been done for the neo on it...
VS...
Running Leste on the n900 (albiet with half the ram of the yet to be finished neo..) for those already with a n900...and a rough ebay cost of $150 for those who do not have one ...
OR...
a $100 including shipping ...nexus 5 with double the neo ram ...running Leste...

So from a purely fiscal stand...
Looking at the final end point...

How foolish does it look ...pursuing a $2000+ yet to be built device after waiting half a decade?
Especially when affordable options are going to be running maemo5's siuccessor years before the neo is even released...

And yes...touching on that sub issue....
The longer it takes...the harder it gets...
Parts once available become obsolete ..
Meaning ...sourcing new parts...
Meaning more testing for compat.
Meaning...more delay...
Rinse and repeat...
And so the tail chasing continues...

No ...after half a decade and a "who knows?" situation still...
I have zero ...absolutely zero sympathy left..


I refuse to be a schmuck after 5 years of waiting.
And listen any longer to any words ....sane as they may seem...and convince myself ... it is worth it to wait until ??? When exactly?
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Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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#3105
Currently, I think your best bet to have a true Linux based phone that is usable within the next year is Librem 5. It is debian based, great attention paid to security, should run many linux distributions. Perhaps Leste could be made to work. One major thing is no hwkb. Also my guess is camera will be subpar. Major plus for me is that there is support for users in US.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:/...BK0cG_KRl0U5Qn
 

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#3106
Good example...mscion...
There is yet another option...
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1-n770 (in retirement),
3-n800's and 3-n810's (still in daily use),
5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 has loose usb ( considering it for parts), 1 has no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors))
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. Due for production ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶m̶o̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶ . .
3-nexus 5's : 1 with ̶L̶i̶n̶e̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶O̶r̶e̶o̶ ̶8.̶1̶ P̷l̷a̷s̷m̷a̷ ̷M̷o̷b̷i̷l̷e̷ Lineage oreo 8.1 (intend maemo leste when ready) , 1 with ̶U̶b̶u̶n̶t̶u̶ ̶T̶o̶u̶c̶h̶ Bliss OS, 1 with ̶P̶l̶a̶s̶m̶a̶ ̶M̶o̶b̶i̶l̶e̶ Maru OS


PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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There is yet another option...
And that is.... Drumroll...
 

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#3108
Haha...
No no...
I was meaning...your mention of the Librem ...is another good option.
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5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 has loose usb ( considering it for parts), 1 has no telephony (perfect for permanent set-up as mini-pc with one of my monitors))
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. Due for production ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶m̶o̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶ . .
3-nexus 5's : 1 with ̶L̶i̶n̶e̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶O̶r̶e̶o̶ ̶8.̶1̶ P̷l̷a̷s̷m̷a̷ ̷M̷o̷b̷i̷l̷e̷ Lineage oreo 8.1 (intend maemo leste when ready) , 1 with ̶U̶b̶u̶n̶t̶u̶ ̶T̶o̶u̶c̶h̶ Bliss OS, 1 with ̶P̶l̶a̶s̶m̶a̶ ̶M̶o̶b̶i̶l̶e̶ Maru OS


PIMP MY N8X0
Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
 

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#3109
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
A great post for 2013....Kabouik...
It belongs there...
Not now...

The neo isn't the only game in town any more.
There are other options for linux based phones now...
Sure some work is needed on them here and there...
But they are progressing ...
And in use now...
Not half a decade later...

And lets just back up a bit....
Ok...forget even about a piphone diy for under $300

Sure...lets talk about the incredible nich3 nature of the $2000 and counting ...yet to be completed...produced and shipped neo....
That will run straight linux or...Leste ...I would imagine...once enough work has been done for the neo on it...
VS...
Running Leste on the n900 (albiet with half the ram of the yet to be finished neo..) for those already with a n900...and a rough ebay cost of $150 for those who do not have one ...
OR...
a $100 including shipping ...nexus 5 with double the neo ram ...running Leste...

So from a purely fiscal stand...
Looking at the final end point...

How foolish does it look ...pursuing a $2000+ yet to be built device after waiting half a decade?
Especially when affordable options are going to be running maemo5's siuccessor years before the neo is even released...

And yes...touching on that sub issue....
The longer it takes...the harder it gets...
Parts once available become obsolete ..
Meaning ...sourcing new parts...
Meaning more testing for compat.
Meaning...more delay...
Rinse and repeat...
And so the tail chasing continues...

No ...after half a decade and a "who knows?" situation still...
I have zero ...absolutely zero sympathy left..


I refuse to be a schmuck after 5 years of waiting.
And listen any longer to any words ....sane as they may seem...and convince myself ... it is worth it to wait until ??? When exactly?
I'm not saying the Neo900 is the best option, or even trying to take side on whether it's worth the price and the wait, everyone will have to decide on that. However, when making that decision, you have to weigh in that the Neo900 is the only device that won't have hardware backdoors, let alone the HWKB + accurate capacitive screen with stylus.
 
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