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	Fellfrosch	2018-12-20 , 09:06
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Dear HtheB,
I think you are willingly misreading and misinterpreting and you are willingly overseeing posts which don't fit in your universe!

I have never written that I want a resistive screen like it was in the N900. I have just written that I want a stylus. The way it is reached is of no matter for me. But I don't understand why there are so few phones around with this possibility. Yes Samsung's Note series do. But as already written my pockets are to small and I can't us it with with just one hand.
And just to be sure, that you don't say it is contradicting using a stylus and using a phone with just one hand: There are situations where you just have one hand free, and situations where you want to make a sketch of something. So the perfect device is ALWAYS just a compromise.
By the way the spen isn't really superior over the N900 stylus: it needs power.

Do I want to have a bigger screen? Yes. best would be something like 27" but unfortunately that is not very mobile anymore.

Coming to a further point: I have already proven, that THERE ARE Movies existing in 4:3 it was in the past a common cinema format. And I have already written, that the very famous movie casablanca was in this aspect ratio (1,33:1 is 4:3 in the cinema world)

But to be honest as a cineast for me personally movies on a phone are anyway ridiculous. I have never seen one on a phone, and I probably never will. In Germany we would call this "Mäusekino" (mouse cinema), and is no joy.

For me pictures are from relevance and here is the most common aspect ration still 3:2 and the 4:3 and 16:9.
2:1 is nonexistent.

But as I already written the screen technology isn't really important for me. It's still a phone and no professional screen I have to work with. So that's not a deal breaker for me. But the over all size is. So i will have to wait and see if I can live with the size of the Fx or not.

By the way, You say AMOLED is superior. Please tell me in what regards?!
I'm a photographer and working with calibrated screens. In my opinion AMOLEDS are a nightmare: The colours are horribly oversaturated and have nothing to do with real colours. Well I now they have also two advantages: One is, having a proper black point. The other is, they need less power when there is dark content, but unfortunately that changes when you have bright content. So in what points are they furthermore superior???? You're just claiming something and that's it? WOW, I'M IMPRESSED!

In your world there seem to exist only black and white, true and false and you of course, you are always right.
Poor boy!!!

And finally to go on with my rant:
You are advising @pichlo (and hereby also others) to use a dumbphone (and that wasn't the only offense). Well to be honest offending people isn't what I would expect from a moderator of a forum. You know, with great power comes great responsibility.

Edit: huh there was some conversation while I've written this post

Last edited by Fellfrosch; 2018-12-20 at 09:12.

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Kabouik	2018-12-20 , 13:19
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Originally Posted by chenliangchen

Let's not get the tension too high.

I'm fully aware of there being a demand of smaller screen devices, never denied it. Let's put the argument of which one is better aside, just for reality... in order to create a successful project commercially, doing a smaller screen is much much harder than, I say the mainstream size.

As a small company, on some of the parts we are relying on some standard components, not being the same as others but within a certain range of "tweak". For example, for a screen around 5.5", let's say from 5.0" to 6.0", there are plenty of suppliers to choose from, and we can modify the panel slightly to fit the sensors, we can choose the best TP, even with flex edge AMOLED despite being very expensive and hard to get.

On the other hand, if we do this device in 4" or 4.3", as many of you loved, it will be much much more difficult and risky to make it successful. First of all the modern phone has more components inside than 3G phones 10 years ago. More antennas, more sensors, even more cameras. Fitting everything in a small body plus a keyboard will make the device significantly chunkier (In modern standard, I know most people here probably won't care ) But this is not the biggest issue. The biggest problem is there is no good suppliers, all the 4" screens you can order or tweak nowadays are very poor TFT and FWVGA at its most. I know most of you probably won't care again compared with N900, but we won't have a chance to be successful if we use such poor quality screen. On the other hand, yes we can customise a new display from scratch, (my wishlist is AMOLED bezel-less and maybe 4.5 inch?) But this will involve a HUGE (I mean HUGE) front investment to make a new display product, and there will be risk of having problem here and there, and cause delays. Moreover, we need a number of shipment to supply this screen production. In general a few hundreds of thousands should be adequate, but how much units we can sell with it? It will be hard to even support this screen production, if there is no one else is using it. Unless we are Samsung or old Nokia, that can sell enough units to support production.

Making a slider phone, especially a slider phone and trying to catch up with a decent specs, quality, camera is very very costly. We have limited resources and it would be wiser we don't spend our resources creating a new screen, but on slider, camera, build quality etc.

I personally have used N810 N900 Jolla N950... I fully understand your feeling on a smaller device. I don't want to raise the argument, but at least it would be worth trying the nowadays mainstream screen size and ratio. Due to the removal of bezels it's not being as big as it sounds, but it does give a lot benefit - I can do so many more things on it than N900. Imaging running some decent part of Maemo on a 5.5" screen, it might not be the best for all (in fact there is nothing that everyone being happy with) but I would strongly advice at least give it a try.

That doesn't mean the dead of smaller screen sliders. We need to do one step at a time. So if this project is proven successful, and we have a slightly bigger scale and better resources, there is certainly a chance of having a 4" slider. But we need to get THIS product being correct first.

Last but not least, if you are disappointed about the size of the screen, and don't want to try the mainstream size, there is nothing wrong. But please regard this as the first step we need to take in order to achieve the product you want.

(And please let's keep calm)

Enough talking Chen. I said the same here a couple weeks ago just to save your precious time so that you could use it to hand write a love note for me and put in the box of my ReadyFx to ship the next day. But my damn mailbox is empty, don't you realize that you broke my heart?

(Just kidding. Great post to clarify priorities. As I said several times, you convincingly demonstrated that this is the right strategy, and this comes from someone who, in an ideal world with unlimited budget, would prefer a smaller but chunkier form factor. I'm still eagerly waiting for the ReadyFx, just hoping that alternative OS will be ported soon after its release.)

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	Dave999	2018-12-20 , 16:09
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Originally Posted by catbus

So? Where I'm going ? And who is the other one...

Unknown location!
You and me while HtheB cleaning the floor so your question should be directed in the general direction of him.

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Do something for the climate today! Anything!

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	olf	2018-12-20 , 16:42
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While reading all this, I am astounded to see how eagerly some defend exactly the points @HtheB correctly criticised (though in an exaggerated manner).

I just pick this post as an nice example (there are others by others):