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In practice this however gives a mixed message to any potential user. They either are offered a bare-bones (often insufficient) experience of an open community backed Nemo, or they are offered a friendly experience of the closed UI of the Sailfish. It sounds like (un?)intentional promotion of the closed components in general. Since in the end, it's the functional user experience that will make it or break it for adoption of any kind of system.
what about joining #nemomobile on FreeNode IRC and help us make Nemo even better
 

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Originally Posted by faenil View Post
what about joining #nemomobile on FreeNode IRC and help us make Nemo even better
That's exactly the point. What is Sailfish community, if improving something rather relates to Nemo? I can understand what Nemo community means, and I'd try running Nemo and helping with it as soon as I'll get a suitable spare device for it (or make it runnable on something like Nexus 7). It's not so clear what Sailfish community is though.
 

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Sailfish's equivalent "community", will be the many services (B2B interaction models etc) that they're -hopefully- building on top right now, but that we've -so far- heard relatively little about.
 
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Sailfish's equivalent "community", will be the many services (B2B interaction models etc) that they're -hopefully- building on top right now, but that we've -so far- heard relatively little about.
I think we have to wait until atleast some more people have the device
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Well, I am still concerned about the quite big duplication of effort - with Nemo having to build the whole UI & core apps from the ground up, while there already is a working implementation working on the same hardware that even uses the very same middleware.

Also, the closed Sailfish UI layer has at the moment quite a lot of missing features & bugs, but there is no place to submit them & track progress and the source is not open, so community can't help with fixing them.

So these two are my main concern.
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==About things to do==
I think I have once again to go back introducing one very important variable in human terms: TIME.

Not everything can happen at the same time (don't tell to Einstein please). Things usually happen one after the other.

We founded Jolla, we had to find money and people that believed in our idea, we started hiring people, we started working on the SW, we committed to release a phone, we did that. And we are at NOW.

Since we haven't stopped working (yet) we will continue working on the SW, shipping phones, helping a community to build itself and flourish.

== about community ==

I kept reading posts and posts where it is clear that the assumption is that this is the only community and the only type of community possible ever. There is nothing else than TMO and if you want to be really a real geek you have to be in TMO (poor guys in Ubuntu forums).

There are other kinds of people out there. Fanboys, critics, other geeks, hardcore developers, gurus, kids that will like to play with something new, dads that want to make a gift to their wives.

These guys will come here and will be scared away by the same guys that go to jollausers forum and feel pity for these poor guys.

So please try to stop a moment and think how big is the world and how many kind of persons exist.
 

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I think it is a good idea if all the Jolla employees who are active here, show a special tag in there signature, so people can see easily who is employee of Jolla.
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== about community ==

I kept reading posts and posts where it is clear that the assumption is that this is the only community and the only type of community possible ever. There is nothing else than TMO and if you want to be really a real geek you have to be in TMO (poor guys in Ubuntu forums).

There are other kinds of people out there. Fanboys, critics, other geeks, hardcore developers, gurus, kids that will like to play with something new, dads that want to make a gift to their wives.

These guys will come here and will be scared away by the same guys that go to jollausers forum and feel pity for these poor guys.

So please try to stop a moment and think how big is the world and how many kind of persons exist.
It's sad that you view what we are saying that way. It's far simpler. There is a powerful community here. We think that it is to our mutual benefit to build upon it, instead of building a new one. That is all.

We are open to changing stuff so that we can accomodate all those kinds of people you describe. We're not afraid to grow.

P.S. I also believe that it is to the benefit of the dad who wants to get a gift to his wife. When things go wrong, we have many really helpful knowledgeable people here that will try to solve dad's problem without resorting to a reflash without second thought, like your average service center will do.
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