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#21
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
When all else fails, use something like this

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2920354816/hDA54FE4D/

(Pic courtesy to cheesburger.com)
Is that a battery or a firecracker....?
 

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#22
Hahahahahaha
aw crap man....
it looks pretty bad man...
it looks like either a homemade bomb you'd be tackled for at the airport (at best)
or a shot gun shell that hasn't gone off yet.
I don't mind the exposed wire,
I don't mind the bulky cylinder (mind I liked the altoids version https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...le-usb-charger )
but the red packing tape is just the nail in the coffin.
Speaking of which I loved that one comment ("...looks like it'd give you cancer yesterday...") .
The only thing that would be a redeeming quality is if this were be included to enhance the overall "feel" of the contraption...then...I'd definitely go for it.
http://www.ahooga.com/ahooga_wav.shtml
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#23
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
For the n800 ...I think in all my years I had to delegate 1 battery to "always plugged in " state for the studio...since it finally got to a fully charged level of only under 2 hours. Other than that one battery (which was the original I got +7yrs ago and used every day since)...all the rest of my bp-5l batts are perfectly fine...had them more than 5 years and all show 7 hours.
I do heartily suggest if you have batt consumption issues with the n800 .
1- get proper OFFICIAL OEM bp-5l batts.
2- install cssu, asui, and diablo turbo
3- tweak your power settings
there is no reason you can't have 7hours active/ 10days standby.

As a side note....
I sure wouldn't mind (and I'm sure others as well) having permanent power by wiring and bypass the need for a battery.
Perhaps a cash bounty $$$ would be good incentive to seeing movement and getting it done.(If it can be done... that is...some serious wizardry will be involved for sure....power fluctuation, surges etc...will be an issue for a start...the device wasn't really built for direct wiring ....)
I replaced my stock nokia battery with polarcell batteries in my n810 and with no extra software adjustments as mentioned and it lasted all day...all of my day anyway...at least another 2/3hours..on stand by seem to drain much much less too.can't recommend them enough..im sure there available for n800 too
 

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#24
Welcome new guy!

My mention of diablo turbo, asui, cssu and cloning is valid...
especially for those individuals with older batteries that haven't gotten up to speed with having the most recent n8x0 setup.
The benefits of which massively outweigh not updating to the most recent setup. The least of which being longer device lifespan.
The only reason to have a pristine untampered diablo (or chinook) install is to test with or to clone to card with.

If you are using stock diablo os2008 with a brand new polarcell...
You aren't getting the most out of your battery...you are losing (hummm).... ...half a day's worth of additional battery charge (in use time...more in standby)...( roughly ) you could have. That is the gain of the tweaking.

My best suggestion for new people to the NIT is:
1-Install nothing yet until you do these steps 1st (makes it easier to troubleshoot errors from a clean install also less chance of conflicts).
2-If you have installed stuff...reflash to a pristine diablo state.
3-by enabling maemo extras (the benefit there being that enabling this repo. will allow you to install a ton of programs you normally can't otherwise... as well) install rootsh. Application menu calls it xterminal. If you are unfamiliar it. It gives you a lot of power over your device and system.
4-next install penguinbait's console tools v1. this allows you to do a hellava lot of stuff ...least of which is stupid easy thoughtless multiple choice format of partioning, formatting, os cloning to internal or external card, and os backup to card or usb, and that is just a tiny bit of what it can do...very very helpful for people new to n8x0.
5-clone baby clone. Then install asui, latest diablo cssu, diablo turbo to the diablo clone on the card...(the tweaks patches and fixes make it well worthwhile.) Then install gronmayers repo list. (sooo many programs now )
Away you go ...(well there are a ton of more cool things to optimize... but that's the basics)
(Me ...on one of my n810's I got a pristine diablo on device (I never use since cloning) and a 32gb class 4 card with diablo turbo on one partition, debian on the 2nd, and mer on the 3rd.)

Sure you are getting a day out of your brand new polarcell on stock os2008.
I get that with normal daily usage with all the updating to the latest os and the patches and power management tweaking ...
the difference is you are using a brand new polarcell.
I'm talking about my using refurbed rejuv'd original batteries (some with a charge of between 70% and 90%) all that are no less than half a decade old and that have been in use daily ...and I'm getting the same output as you.
If you get up to speed ...
you'll be able to do alot more with your device...
it'll feel a 1000x more responsive...
you'll have fewer probs....
it'll save you alot of wear and tear on your device in the long haul...
you'll utilize the optimum of your battery's charge ..
and you should be able to go a lot further...alot longer on a single charge with your brand new polarcell ...

technically... with a new polar ...with the tweaking... you should get at the very very very least...with your device running full-out... 10 hours of constant use (depending on how intensively draining the programs are of course) ...at the bare minimum....
technically ...your battery monitor should be pushing the ceiling for a while before you start to notice a drop in capacity/ time remaining.
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242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
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#25
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Oh come on, OF COURSE it is doable. It's just a battery, FFS. It has just two contacts, (+) and (-). Connect a simple 4V regulator to those two contacts and you are set.
hehe best solution i use it most of the time and there are just a couple of brands that dont work without the fking bsi ...i hate them
 

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To the op
if you want it that bad then the simplest of solution would be to attach wires on the contacts secure the battery bay with some foam and find a empty place somewhere to put the female conector or stick it to the side of the device and use a usb charger ..of you go
btw the better solution woud be creating a fake battery yourself out of carved antler and placing electronics inside it !
 

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#27
Hhahaha...
was that a hint nokiabot?


That ain't a bad idea....y'know...
'tween now and march I'll muddle with it and see what I carve up with.
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N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
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#28
hm ...out of curiosity what brand / make 4v regulator would be the best suggestion for NIT's ? anyone? Don't particularly want to do voltage experimentation ...(not my forte really...)... and fry devices needlessly...

I think I will muck around with making a built-in unobtrusive permanent power supply option...I'll carve a proto-shell...(stupid plain and simple...much easier for ) something that can be easily copied for those who want to go a similar battery-free option...
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N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Hhahaha...
was that a hint nokiabot?

That ain't a bad idea....y'know...
'tween now and march I'll muddle with it and see what I carve up with.
haha i knew it ! you are carving to carve ....
i put up a ® besides antler and you know that this stupid phone somehow removed it btw the thing is the proper knowhow for the needed electronics and yes i know how to do it (have done actually) but i feel i am not worth recommending without proper advice.
stay tuned....
me too tuned for what you come up with !
 

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bloody hell...nokiabot....can't resist...
yeah...I can't help mucking about with something new.

IF:
1- the regulator (and necessary parts) can be equal to or less in thickness than the width of a standard Nxx0 battery....

2- I have said parts in hand... lined up precisely where they need to fit... so I can efficiently do the work properly, exactly and quickly ...

3-yup there is then no reason why I can't carve 3 antler dummies for the n800, the n810 and the n900.

4- At which point all three can be sent for casting in a cheap high heat resistant resin...

5- Stupid easy then...
A- End user only needs same (affordable, available, and exact) parts that fit ...
B- Pop them in the obvious vacant spaces on the dummy cast...
C- Drill / cut a usb port hole on the device removable back...for utilization of permanent usb power option
D- Make sure there is plenty of wire length from dummy battery to the back to facilitate the normal easy removal of the back from the device (since mounted port connection on the back) OR make the
usb power port hole on back slightly larger..pop in a rectangular rubber ring to easily pop the usb port on or off (depending on the individual desire to use it with a proper battery ..while they still exist and are usable...or with the dummy battery as a permanent power option until the crack of doom, the moon falls into the ocean, or electricity as we know it fails utterly....)

6- For the end user....the production cost in resin is miniscule...... the Nxx0 device line now becomes power supply self-reliant....like all proper computers should be ...

better even.......
(since (and correct my lack of proper electrical education here if I'm off) now that there is proper power regulation to the device via standard usb....(technically wouldn't it be logical that any type of plug-in-able power bank and /or subsequent global-marketplace-common / standard-usb-connector devices and methods of charging said power bank...solar, outlet, wind-up, kinetic etc...(are everywhere nowadays and affordable to boot )... that it would be also feasible to charge said external bank while device is in use...

so it stands to reason that 24 hours ...7 days a week your device could keep running without stop...regardless if standard electrical power goes from a blackout or not. (I know it's plausible since I almost have a full 24 hours of solid use with my solio classic ... solar during the day and then...once dusk hits working off the solio battery... and then when the solio battery empties... finally working off the n800 battery...
trick is ...the solio classic line ain't young anymore and like so many other power option devices for the NIT ...eventually there will come a time when nothing is compatible...especially with the older n8x0 original power port...)

making an affordable , easy to install and use, globally common power option now ...
(while we have the luxury of time and foresight to see it coming...)
safeguards our power options in the future before that window closes...

Bluntly...What I'm saying here is...
we can either create the option for our older devices' continuance into the future or...
we willingly give up that freedom when the very last compatible battery is sold....
then it's just borrowed time after which... literally....
the lights go out for the Nxx0 device line.
I'm not trying to instil fear or terror or doom...
the process... It may take a bit...but our devices are tied to the damn batteries...and that means we are tied to suppliers...suppliers who stop making old batteries eventually and move on to more lucrative contracts that have more people in need of plenty of batteries for newer devices...just the way things are...
So it is a choice... we have for now... time to make...but not forever.

OR
...if no one else is interested in this...
I'll make the protos ..post schematics, dimensions, blueprints, whatever...y'know ..the results..
I most certainly want this kind of seamless internal (sans-external-plethora-of-exposed-parts-wires) battery-less option...I see the need for it... at least for my own devices future continuance...
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PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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