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2013-12-28
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#152
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Originally Posted by joerg_rw
While I understand your concerns, I think this is a very different situation.
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And remember, you can always go back to the older OS version that doesn't have this fix.
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2013-12-28
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#153
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Originally Posted by Venemo
AIUI you can't go back to *anything* once the device presents a "MALF" laughing at you. Or simply refuses to boot at all which is pretty much the same as a MALF. And just because selfdestruction not YET implemented doesn't mean you ever will get a way to recover from accidental destruction/damage to the system. And then you're back to what?
While I understand your concerns, I think this is a very different situation.
And remember, you can always go back to the older OS version that doesn't have this fix.
The difference between "you can't downgrade"(HARM) and "You can't flash at all"(Jolla) is marginal, with actually HARM being the less nasty concept here.
Sorry I'm out on this game, been there seen that.
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2013-12-28
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#154
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Originally Posted by joerg_rw
I'm not sure what you mean.
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You can do a factory reset which will restore the device to the version if came from the factory.
See here for details:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...nt-afterwards/
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2013-12-28
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#155
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Originally Posted by Venemo
It will just reset the / partition. There is no mention of reflashing the bootloader (aboot partition)
I'm not sure what mean.
You can do a factory reset which will restore the device to the version if came from the factory.
See here for details:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...nt-afterwards/
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2013-12-28
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#156
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Well, there's some thing that should be doable, really. Stskeeps did say previously;
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
So, if the boot loader is a linuxy bit, then it has to be open. Methinks I'll go and attempt to make my own bootloader, and include there an option to set up public-key ssh login for a maintanance mode, like I have on ubiboot. That should settle it, right?
* The bootloader of the Jolla is 'little kernel' ("lk") which speaks the typical Android fastboot protocol, which has a open source flasher.
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2013-12-28
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No it has nothing to do with linux kernel. It is a small micro OS. Also I doubt that you can easily build your own lk. It has to be adapted to the jolla smartphone.
You can try it by reviewing the hardware adaption of linux kernel and try to adapt them to the LK bootloader. But this is very risky and not worth the risk.
Hope there will some open device soon which perhaps run mer/nemo/glaicer.
You can try it by reviewing the hardware adaption of linux kernel and try to adapt them to the LK bootloader. But this is very risky and not worth the risk.
Hope there will some open device soon which perhaps run mer/nemo/glaicer.
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2013-12-28
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#158
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I blame Qualcomm for not allowing Jolla to distribute a proper image so that anyone can flash if the device is broken. I'd be happy to swap boot partitions (or any partition for that matter) if I had the ability to flash.
I sympathise with folks who want to get off ship now for economical reasons and maybe come back later if Jolla provides with better options.
I hope we get more competition in the SoC space so that we get better things. Somebody mentioned that perhaps Intel+open drivers will bring some happiness. Perhaps. Who knows.
I'll keep my Jolla for now, even if it isn't my main phone yet.
I sympathise with folks who want to get off ship now for economical reasons and maybe come back later if Jolla provides with better options.
I hope we get more competition in the SoC space so that we get better things. Somebody mentioned that perhaps Intel+open drivers will bring some happiness. Perhaps. Who knows.
I'll keep my Jolla for now, even if it isn't my main phone yet.
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2013-12-28
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Originally Posted by djselbeck
I'll repeat myself, maybe you'll read me this time:
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Jolla has acknowledged that this is a bug and that this break was not intentional - they also officially said that they're working on fixing it.
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I may keep my device also because I don't want to loose money. But my top priority is porting nemo/glacier on it.
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