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2011-08-16
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Google bought Motorola mobile division purely for patents. I don't think that NOKIA will be cost effective purchase for the other giants who already have huge patent portfolios. Google was especially vulnerable as compared to the others. I don't think that NOKIA purchase is a logical next step.
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2011-08-17
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ericsson
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2011-08-17
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
Just wait until they divide Nokia and sell divisions separately. Even in Motorola case there was a split - Google bought Moto Mobile only.
Google bought Motorola mobile division purely for patents. I don't think that NOKIA will be cost effective purchase for the other giants who already have huge patent portfolios. Google was especially vulnerable as compared to the others. I don't think that NOKIA purchase is a logical next step.
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2011-08-17
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Nobody makes no allusions as to the dire situation Nokia is in. I get the issues Elop was brought in to handle, but because of the drastic "ripping the bandage" type of action undertaken at Nokia to even begin the transition has really exposed quite a bit of underlying weaknesses with Nokia.
The realization that Symbian wouldn't cut it; albeit public really created massive losses for Nokia. Choosing to go WP7 solely had made the level uncertainty too much, and revealed that OPK had many years to transition towards Maemo but dropped the ball. Nokia has lost credibility, and that is why investors have become skeptical and consumers have become even more so hostile. Also CEO's are of different Pedigrees, Elop is first and foremost the Mergers/ Acquisitions type of CEO. The next billion with S40's and 150million Symbian by 2015 were fantastical numbers that this community even found quite hard to believe and the projections are not looking favorable. Obviously if Nokia can make such an error, how can we begin to believe that WP7 will be a success? Nokia doesn't have the timing to wage a slow war where WP7 increases market share ever so slowly year over year. They need instant hits, across all product lines and the first negative report countering that narrative will spell big problems for Nokia.
Nokia can't even sell its hardware wherever it chooses anymore. They speak of phones and shelves with carriers being limited, but they forget to mention that at most 1 WP7 will be ready by years end and not a single N9 that is ready by September will be available at stores for Christmas and Holiday shopping spree. The truth is MS made it so that N9 never sees the light of day to the wide world market.
I have tried WP7, and said it many times before that it is actually a solid device albeit some things can be better. The issue with Nokia is that they leveraged the entire company on WP7, and I find it hard to believe that WP7 can make that difference. They should of did both Android and WP7 ... why not, what is stopping them?
So overall things don't look good and odds are Nokia will fail to revive, but it is doing a dual track plan. It is making it pretty to sell, and that has the highest probability of occurring. It doesn't take a genius to figure out ... WP7 if it doesn't sell well then Nokia is kaput, so what are the chances of that occurring. The guys who want solely patents can wait till negative numbers implodes Nokia stock. Those who want to protect Nokia's game plan have really a lot to lose ... remember MS will be taking a double risk, one that their OS is successful and another on Nokia as a business. The one who'll most likely make a move now is the company that wants to make a move into the mobile arena or strengthen it's mobile division. I think Samsung and Intel are key players in this arena. The deal between MS and Nokia isn't worth buying Nokia over ... they already have a bunch of partners, they may make some sort of arrangement where Nokia is partly invested in by MS as a minority stakeholder to ensure it gets through aggressive takeover bids and probably Nokia needs to cut the dividends, but that won't be good for the stock holders who only value that right now.
The realization that Symbian wouldn't cut it; albeit public really created massive losses for Nokia. Choosing to go WP7 solely had made the level uncertainty too much, and revealed that OPK had many years to transition towards Maemo but dropped the ball. Nokia has lost credibility, and that is why investors have become skeptical and consumers have become even more so hostile. Also CEO's are of different Pedigrees, Elop is first and foremost the Mergers/ Acquisitions type of CEO. The next billion with S40's and 150million Symbian by 2015 were fantastical numbers that this community even found quite hard to believe and the projections are not looking favorable. Obviously if Nokia can make such an error, how can we begin to believe that WP7 will be a success? Nokia doesn't have the timing to wage a slow war where WP7 increases market share ever so slowly year over year. They need instant hits, across all product lines and the first negative report countering that narrative will spell big problems for Nokia.
Nokia can't even sell its hardware wherever it chooses anymore. They speak of phones and shelves with carriers being limited, but they forget to mention that at most 1 WP7 will be ready by years end and not a single N9 that is ready by September will be available at stores for Christmas and Holiday shopping spree. The truth is MS made it so that N9 never sees the light of day to the wide world market.
I have tried WP7, and said it many times before that it is actually a solid device albeit some things can be better. The issue with Nokia is that they leveraged the entire company on WP7, and I find it hard to believe that WP7 can make that difference. They should of did both Android and WP7 ... why not, what is stopping them?
So overall things don't look good and odds are Nokia will fail to revive, but it is doing a dual track plan. It is making it pretty to sell, and that has the highest probability of occurring. It doesn't take a genius to figure out ... WP7 if it doesn't sell well then Nokia is kaput, so what are the chances of that occurring. The guys who want solely patents can wait till negative numbers implodes Nokia stock. Those who want to protect Nokia's game plan have really a lot to lose ... remember MS will be taking a double risk, one that their OS is successful and another on Nokia as a business. The one who'll most likely make a move now is the company that wants to make a move into the mobile arena or strengthen it's mobile division. I think Samsung and Intel are key players in this arena. The deal between MS and Nokia isn't worth buying Nokia over ... they already have a bunch of partners, they may make some sort of arrangement where Nokia is partly invested in by MS as a minority stakeholder to ensure it gets through aggressive takeover bids and probably Nokia needs to cut the dividends, but that won't be good for the stock holders who only value that right now.
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2011-08-17
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Originally Posted by egoshin
Again, the main problem is that WP7 at Nokia is bad business, both short and long term. Nobody is going to throw tens of billions at Nokia and watch how they land in MS pocket. BTW, I think to end all MS hopes it would be sufficient just to continue with MeeGo an release N9 worldwide, Elop isn't desperately killing Symbian/N9 without reason.
Just take a difference - "wants keep" vs "can keep". Intel can keep WP7 because it has a full infrastructure of relationship with M$, a lot of ready decisions "how to do" for Windows etc. For Intel it would be a simple and non-expensive to switch Nokia's/M$ WP7 developers to Intel-based CPU from ARM.
Actually, switching WP7 to x86 processor could be quite a problem. Despite the big words about how Nokia has special influence on WP and how easy it is to port WP to new HW, Nokia was forced to abandon its long term partner TI and go with Qualcomm... And this is same platform just different SoC.
On the other hand MeeGo and Linux are already running on atom.
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2011-08-17
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If Motorola really had plans to go WP7 I'm now nearby to say: "Great google! I love you!" 
In this case a big win for google. But they have now to avoid bewilderment at the other Android vendors, this could get very negative in the long therm.
IF Intel buys Nokia this could be the same case for MeeGo. The same like it was 2 years ago. Intel asked back then for other partners beside Nokia. But for Samsung & co was the influence of Nokia too big.
Intel builds Chips and Hardware... nothing for end customers...
BUT Intel is the biggest chip manufacturer at the desktop systems and where are they at the mobiles?
Currently they have no chance, ARM is there the big one. And now Tablets are growing with ARM and Windows 8 will suppert ARM, too. So soon we could see desktops with cheap ARM instead of Intels i86. Microsoft pushed their .NET runtime compiler and guess what is now the BIG BENEFIT? Yes, you don't need to recompile the .NET applications if the runtimes are running at a different architecture.
intel - you're screwed!
So the benefit for intel would be the control of Nokia. I'm sure they wouldn't abadon WP7. Jeah, right. But they would push MeeGo as a second devision with tablets and handsets with a intel Atom core inside. They have to do something or ARM will get more and more marketshare and intel will loose a lot of their current business!
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In this case a big win for google. But they have now to avoid bewilderment at the other Android vendors, this could get very negative in the long therm.
IF Intel buys Nokia this could be the same case for MeeGo. The same like it was 2 years ago. Intel asked back then for other partners beside Nokia. But for Samsung & co was the influence of Nokia too big.
Intel builds Chips and Hardware... nothing for end customers...
BUT Intel is the biggest chip manufacturer at the desktop systems and where are they at the mobiles?
Currently they have no chance, ARM is there the big one. And now Tablets are growing with ARM and Windows 8 will suppert ARM, too. So soon we could see desktops with cheap ARM instead of Intels i86. Microsoft pushed their .NET runtime compiler and guess what is now the BIG BENEFIT? Yes, you don't need to recompile the .NET applications if the runtimes are running at a different architecture.
intel - you're screwed!
So the benefit for intel would be the control of Nokia. I'm sure they wouldn't abadon WP7. Jeah, right. But they would push MeeGo as a second devision with tablets and handsets with a intel Atom core inside. They have to do something or ARM will get more and more marketshare and intel will loose a lot of their current business!
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2011-08-17
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Originally Posted by dumpystig
Unfortunately that namebrand is associated with a different quality around this part of the interwebs...
ericsson
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2011-08-17
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Could we get that on tape? Youtube is also valid.
But keep on dreaming, pretend you will get your revenge at Nokia for giving up on Maemo/MeeGo when big bad M$/Intel eats them alive. LOL, you are funny. If MS or Intel is to purchase Nokia, I will eat my e-hat for breakfast.
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2011-08-17
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Originally Posted by Helmuth
What a ridiculous statement -- WP7 is ARM only.
So the benefit for intel would be the control of Nokia. I'm sure they wouldn't abadon WP7. Jeah, right. But they would push MeeGo as a second devision with tablets and handsets with a intel Atom core inside.
If Intel buys Nokia (which is not gonna happen, Microsoft's alpha-dog already pissed all over Nokia) the very first thing Intel would do is axing WP7 plans.
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The problem with Sony Ericsson is that the best buyer is already Sony, but if they decide to sell, just about anybody could purchase.
HTC is on the top now, but can only go down being pressured from all directions, particularly Samsung, LG and ZTE, and soon also Nokia and Googorola. HTC got no IP to speak of. If Intel is purchasing someone, this could be it. A good brand with the most flexible manufacturing capacity of them all. HTC could sell intel powered MeeGo/Microsoft handsets/tablets in half a year if needed while still continuing with Android and WP.
What you are saying about Nokia is a company that's in trouble, not a company that is necessarily willing to sell. Nokia is not giving up, they are, for the first time in years, proactively restructuring, refocusing and chopping of/ending what should be ended/restructured years ago. You can argue that WP is not the best choice right now, but you cannot argue that Nokia isn't fighting to stay alive. And what do we see? WP is getting more and more positive attention for each day. They are not acting like a company that wants to be sold.
But keep on dreaming, pretend you will get your revenge at Nokia for giving up on Maemo/MeeGo when big bad M$/Intel eats them alive. LOL, you are funny. If MS or Intel is to purchase Nokia, I will eat my e-hat for breakfast.