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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by patlak
You arent serious. Are you?
Answer the damn question, don't follow with a stupid question.
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2011-09-14
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I bet that Nokia couldnt get any lower and bought a bunch of shares for long term, 5-6 years, dont really care how long. There was no doubt in my or other analysts minds that the pre-Elop course was not sustainable. Nokia was out of USA for years. As apple and droids start doing well in the USA, they invaded Europe and Asia. Nokia was now losing its home turf. The Taliban are now the only faithful customers of Nokia. Maemo was a dead product for few enthusiasts. N900 was a fun product (use it to IM at night, since I like the keyboard), but not a portable device as compared to others for every day ease of use. N9 is not revolutionary enough, so what is the best strategy for NOKIA? Exactly what Elop did. Perhaps he was too loud about it, perhaps he offended some pro-Europe only high tech company sensibilities, perhaps Taliban are unhappy that Nokia is in bed with Americans, but the bottom line is that Elop needs to turn the company around and make them money. Such a turnaround will take time. Elop has a lot of money riding on this, as his incentives and so on are structured on how he succeeds over the next few years. What is so difficult for this crowd to understand? Your pet project Maemo/Harmattan/Meego is of limited interest to the outsiders. Be happy that you are getting N9 and kiss Elop feet for making it possible.
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2011-09-14
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#234
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I wish Elop was fired...
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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by danramos
OK how about the loser puts in their signature that the winner is their master and owner and I give him my lunch money
I don't bet money, otherwise I would have invested in Nokia.. I think that alone speaks volumes all by itself.
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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
What most people don't understand, is that Elop is just means to an end. The end? Getting money. Since Google wasn't going to pay extra to have another manufacturer make android handsets, they went with Microsoft. So they appointed a guy that could make that quickly.
... What is so difficult for this crowd to understand? Your pet project Maemo/Harmattan/Meego is of limited interest to the outsiders. Be happy that you are getting N9 and kiss Elop feet for making it possible.
And let's face it. No CEO in the world makes a billion dollars agreement with another company, and make drastics changes after just being hired without some agreement from the board.
Personally, both Microsoft and Nokia made a great move. Nokia has the tools WP7 (and Windows 8 in handsets?) so desperately needs.
TLDR version: Elop is just a guy hired to do a job. And he did a good job.
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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Personal attacks as a form of defense of FOSS and Nokia... THAT's going to win debates, though. Master debater strikes again!
Well, see, the "problem" with danramos is that he pretend being all for FOSS, but what it all comes down to is that danramos is just a common fanboy. He is full of hot (and foul) air, and nothing else no matter how hard he tries to look "interesting" or cool.
The last 6 months he has done nothing but being negative about everything Nokia: the N900, the N9, Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo. According to danramos there are something "wrong" with every little bit that comes from Nokia.
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz
Tempting, but no.
OK how about the loser puts in their signature that the winner is their master and owner and I give him my lunch money
We'll simply just see who has bragging rights for being right or wrong.
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Man
Bingo. Sadly, it's not the job we enthusiasts wanted him to make, but let's be honest. These decisions were in place before Elop really was in power. So now that he was hired, it was a mission to get those things done.
TLDR version: Elop is just a guy hired to do a job. And he did a good job.
"Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because its the only thing going on..." - Ric Flair
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2011-09-14
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Before you jump the gun, I'm not taking up for dan, he's a man himself; however you do know that many apply the same logic to you.
Well, see, the "problem" with danramos is that he pretend being all for FOSS, but what it all comes down to is that danramos is just a common fanboy. He is full of hot (and foul) air, and nothing else no matter how hard he tries to look "interesting" or cool.
For instance... you speak about FOSS, yet you love Bada. It uses parts of Linux, BSD, et al and yet has copyrights on top of it, has closed libraries... pretty much, it's sorta a one-for-one for Maemo in quite a few areas.
However, it's nothing more than just as many say... people like what they like. You chose your OS. He chose his.
The last 6 months he has done nothing but being negative about everything Nokia: the N900, the N9, Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo. According to danramos there are something "wrong" with every little bit that comes from Nokia.
Regardless... watch how you point fingers. Three more are always pointed back at yourself when you do that.
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The last 6 months he has done nothing but being negative about everything Nokia: the N900, the N9, Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo. According to danramos there are something "wrong" with every little bit that comes from Nokia.