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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Why not? I've had an iPhone and various Android devices, I don't think either iOS or Android are anything special.
I can agree to that. But look around you. that didnt stop their instant success a fast growth on the expence of mostly Nokia? The world is Bigger than you

It wouldn't be pretty to see Nokia go down with meego as their main os while disabled Symbian. Just think of a compony of Nokia (mobile) shrink to 5 perfekt of market.. I would say they would need to got rid of approx 80-90 percent of their people do stay plus result...or waste their savings in no time.

Was maemo or meego ever over 1 % of world market?
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Maemo competing against ios and android ...yes.
WITH Nokia...no.
They aren't interested at this juncture...
and if they had their mitts on maemo again ...what more would they do to/ with it?
(shudder)
No...I think it much better that maemo goes it alone...
There is more chance of surviving and thriving than with Nokia.
Don't get me wrong...Nokia did exceptional by maemo up until those last few years....Perhaps there are other Entities that would do a better job...than Nokia did in their last few years with their grip on maemo
As far as market relevance goes...yes...in the past maemo-meego really occupied a miniscule percentage of the market.
But the old rules are gone.
More and more people want control over their devices.
Of course some will always wish devices that they don't have to think about...ergo the smart phone.
But the ignorantly content applecart has been upset by snowden and others. The rules have/ are changed/ changing.
maemo-meego has opportunity to be very relevant.
More and more.
We still have people joining TMO...why?
Heck...lately on ebay I have closely watched the prices for n800's and n810's....and they have been going up.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nokia-N-Serie...item462596707c

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nokia-N-Serie...item2a450ce928

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nokia-N-Serie...item35ddceeb25

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nokia-N-Serie...item58b6512f1e

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nokia-N-Serie...item3f3aea5f72
They went in the last 2 months normally from $25-$50 plus shipping (which unto itself is remarkable frankly...)...up to $65-$125-$200-and even above $300 (definitely people trying to take advantage...mind there are still some sane prices available still...) and that is for a 2007-2008 device...why?

A desire for an "understandable" device...
User dissatisfaction with marketplace standards....
User control ...
are the best answers I can come up with.
Many have spoken of maemo's "golden years" being behind us.
The same for the n8x0's.
Yes...the prices rising to such heights ..is..well...quite mad ..but I think it indicative of a resurgence in what I was speaking long ago on. It may be the end of Nokia. But it is hardly the end of the n770 selling at prices in excess of $70 and then shipping...nor the n8x0 selling for what it is currently....perhaps an n900 in decent shape will command in comparison an even madder price than what I am seing for the n8x0's currently. Perhaps the price is relevant to the desire for bigger keypads and slightly larger screens and a simpler more manageable operating system....time will tell. Perhaps I am wrong completely and it is all a "blip" soon to be forgotten...but I don't think so.
Weirdly interesting times hm?
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#33
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Maemo competing against ios and android ...yes.
WITH Nokia...no.
They aren't interested at this juncture...
and if they had their mitts on maemo again ...what more would they do to/ with it?
(shudder)
No...I think it much better that maemo goes it alone...
There is more chance of surviving and thriving than with Nokia.
Don't get me wrong...Nokia did exceptional by maemo up until those last few years....Perhaps there are other Entities that would do a better job...than Nokia did in their last few years with their grip on maemo
Just think if they could release the source jolla could Abandon sail and bring back maemo. Yeah, Im sure IT Will happen any day. Yup, any day now. Im sure. When Will the remaining of Nokia release something phoneish? They are not dead..they are waiting, sleeping, waiting for the end of 2015.
http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...istings-569244

Lets say i has nothing to do With here maps
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#34
Frankly I think Nokia coming back to the table has caught onto a few current key industry success lessons.
One of the big ones being...Don't try to do it all yourself.
Build wicked... truly great devices... like they used to...
BUT leave the platform to others.
Work in tandem WITH the platform developers instead.
Maemo-Nemo-Android-etc...

It's been a model for success for other manufacturers so far.
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N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
I can agree to that. But look around you. that didnt stop their instant success a fast growth on the expence of mostly Nokia? The world is Bigger than you
Imo Nokia's problem was their hardware not their software, for example we had to wait until the end of 2010 to get a separate GPU (N8), with Android and iOS that was compulsary from the start. Nokia also used slow processors and tiny amounts of ram. If you put Valentino Rossi on a moped and me on a Repsol Honda I bet I'd be faster than him but that doesn't make me a better rider.

By migrating to Windows Phone 7 Nokia compounded their problems rather than fixed them.

You also don't have to be a business genius to foresee how carriers and retailers are likely to react to the burning platforms press release closely followed by Elop publicly announcing Symbian EOL.
 
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Imo Nokia's problem was their hardware not their software, for example we had to wait until the end of 2010 to get a separate GPU (N8), with Android and iOS that was compulsary from the start. Nokia also used slow processors and tiny amounts of ram. If you put Valentino Rossi on a moped and me on a Repsol Honda I bet I'd be faster than him but that doesn't make me a better rider.

By migrating to Windows Phone 7 Nokia compounded their problems rather than fixed them.

You also don't have to be a business genius to foresee how carriers and retailers are likely to react to the burning platforms press release closely followed by Elop publicly announcing Symbian EOL.
So let's say: instead of the Burning platform memo. Elop announced a Nokia N10 with Meego...
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we have to see the whole picture , Elop is a Trojan horse period . but he worked for ?. USA , why Nokia would accept for the first time a foreign CEO with a lunatic idea?
as several people cited above, Elop needed the support of the board. my logic leads me to speculate and questioning what if this is all a plan? but not of Elop or Microsoft, if not, America.
what if a plan to DOMINATE all operating systems and therefore make their plans for world espionage. With a software manufacturer outside your borders as Nokia would be very difficult . I think a plan took underwater , including the three parts Nokia, Microsoft and the government of the United States of America
They offered a lot of money ( as indeed they did ) to buy Nokia and gradually remove unwanted uninfected operating systems (MeeGo Symbian)
and launch a new system ( WP7 ) with this super program (PRISM ) inside. Nokia was fighting a losing war against Android and took the easy door and sold his phone company from the first day of the deal with Microsoft , there are facts that were better deals than those offered by Microsoft, any intelligent person would sell his company to the highest bidder , why Nokia did not do that ?.
there are many facts that without Snowden this would be another case of Microsoft 's ineptitude destroying another company , but no. America is in control of everything and Nokia stood in his plans.
and remember that Microsoft is the number one provider of information to the NSA and thats a FACT.
nothing is random , just like they did with the twin towers with non-existent weapons of mass destruction of saddam hussein with Syria chemical weapons, and Iraq Opium fields and oil etc etc etc the list is long
 

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I think what panukooo is trying to get at is a truly insidious and fabulous tactic by the USA.
essentially this is the slideshow progression of danger and devastation by putting elop in charge of anything.

I am Elop ...

Fear me!



No ...
I am Elop...Fear Me...



No...
I am Elop..
Obey Me..



No...
It is I...
I am the Elop! ...



of course culminating in the successful conspiratorial terrorist sabotage and master plan...

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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)

1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325

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