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	daperl	2013-11-21 , 17:41
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Even though I have no use for a hardware keyboard, the n810 was, and still is, a beautiful refresh of the n800. The n900 should have been the founding father of a long line of first class devices, but then Nokia met Elop. Fail ensued. The fact that Nokia threw in the towel before both HP and BlackBerry just shows how truly gutless the board was. Elop will go down in history as a bigger loser than George W. Bush. Well, probably not.

Oh, and NOK is still lower than the last regime's lowest.

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	Artyom	2013-11-21 , 18:55
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when the facts are obvious there is no point in fighting with lumiafapper's ******ed, pointless and baseless nonsense guys. please.

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switch-hitter	2013-11-21 , 19:17
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Some shareholders were interviewed by the BBC, they were saying things like 'now it feels good again', 'glad it's over' and 'a new beginning'. I think that tells its own story.

Now please stop with all the insults, as an amoeba I'm very sensitive. If you can all just get along I'll show you my pom-pom dance.

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Lumiaman	2013-11-21 , 19:21
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I am still looking for that promised Symbian land!

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	Kangal	2013-11-21 , 19:37
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

When Elop arrived, no one would have bought NOKIA mobile division. Everyone was shedding Symbian and going elsewhere.

So you are an idiot to think that NOKIA mobile division at the time Elop took over was worth anything. It was worth exactly 0, as no one had interest to buy antiquated NOKIA

Not only are u an idiot, but you are stupid too.

Google would've happily paid $20 B for Nokia before they had purchased Motorola.

It would've provided Goog'z the patent profile to actually sue Apple, and stop Android being victimized.

On top of that, its likely that Android adoption rate would've been much faster with this strategy in mind.

When Elop infiltrated Nokia, they didn't have any future plans... but they were big and worth a lot. By the time it got sold, Nokia's value plummeted. Had MS tried to purchase Nokia around 2009, they would've probably had to pay in excess of $50 B.

That's about a x10 deterioration of their company in terms of market share, future strategies and company value. So no, get your facts straight.

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Lumiaman	2013-11-21 , 20:02
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Do you actually have evidence to back up that Google was willing to pay 20B for NOKIA? Why would they? They had so many manufacturers lined up, that would be a waste of money. Plus NOKIA wasnt producing Androids at that time, they were still dreaming of Symbian and Maemo domination.

When Elop inflitrated they had dying Symbian and inept Harmattan. I mean inept N9. To spend years to produce such a flop was unprecedented. Elop clearly saw that NOKIA doesnt have what it takes to compete on the software front, and honestly, even its hardware was not competitive with iphone, perhaps with Samsung and others, but even there they were faltering.

So I would say that is infinite appreciation when you divide 7 billion with Zero at that time.

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switch-hitter	2013-11-21 , 20:03
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Did anyone see these quotes from Michael Halbherr:

"We have sold our device business for a reason, but that doesn't keep us out of the device business"

"We are not prohibited from making any communication device. We will concept and think about new forms of devices"

"We will still surprise people with leading-edge hardware."

Any guesses as to what he's thinking of?

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switch-hitter	2013-11-21 , 20:10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Elop clearly saw that NOKIA doesnt have what it takes to compete on the software front

So he chose WinCE Phone instead?

Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

its hardware was not competitive with iphone, perhaps with Samsung

iPhone hardware > Samsung's?

Ha ha ha ha

Now you're funny!

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gerbick	2013-11-21 , 20:27
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Do you actually have evidence to back up that Google was willing to pay 20B for NOKIA? Why would they? They had so many manufacturers lined up, that would be a waste of money. Plus NOKIA wasnt producing Androids at that time, they were still dreaming of Symbian and Maemo domination.

Nokia stopped dreaming about Maemo domination while OPK was still in - despite records otherwise, not much came from trying to move Maemo upstream - only one device per OS iteration and each OS iteration was roughly 18 months at a time.

Google paid what, $12 Billion for Motorola, right? And that was a wasteful purchase; even their patent portfolio wasn't worth that and their present phones aren't producing sales. So given options, and quite a bit of speculation, I'd say that Nokia would have been a better purchase. I won't name a price, but I'd say they were worth more than $7 Billion.

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	Dave999	2013-11-21 , 20:55
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