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Originally Posted by bbin View Post
Wise words abill, wise words FOSS has never worked in mobile. Samsung is next to take that wrong step with Bada. Some people might want to move to some Samsung forum. Oh wait...
Free and open-source software has only ever been usefull for small applications and the simplest of games no matter where you look and that means the entirety of FOSS.

No developer will sit and produce mind blowing applications and games for free, this world is just not built like that and the very reason why FOSS will never be anything but what it is, "simple and sweet".
 
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I really like Apache, Mozilla, MySQL, Eclipse, Linux, WebKit and a few other FOSS projects that are absolutely huge and support my livelihood.
 

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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
This is all fine and well and talked about many times already... now, when will it be available for purchase?
Later than sooner...

Wait...

It's funny how Android is seen as the "enemy" but yet there's two projects that allow you to run Android apps on MeeGo.
 

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Originally Posted by buchanmilne View Post
CSSU has brought some good enhancements, *none* of which would have been possible without the vendor if all significant parts were closed. Sure, there are some things that can't be fixed, but the fact that my phone has a desktop that works in portrait (and many other pieces now work in portrait), that I can lock the desktop and launcher (so you don't accidentally move things around) and lots of other features, are because enough of it is open.

Have you tried current CSSU?



Remember that Meego is only doing *reference* UIs. The Nokia N900 people who have access to "ALL closed code" are doing hardware adaption, and the fact that a lot of N900 and other RX- device support is in mainline kernel is a testament to Nokia having done some things right.

I don't believe anyone at Nokia working on Meego had the mandate to open-source closed pieces of Fremantle or Harmattan. However, you keep basing all of Nokia's efforts on this single aspect, which was (AFAIK) never the plan.



You would have to be more particular about what you consider to be the OS. Some people wouldn't consider the default graphical shell on a consumer electronics device to necessarily be the OS, whereas others might.



You keep saying that, but the proof that is available in CSSU shows that even if a platform isn't 100% open, it is still possible to provide valuable improvements with those that are.
If you think about your own post you will see what i am on about very clearly.

CSSU is a very very good attempt at putting right and improving the OS of the N900 but it only goes so far simply because of the lack of code needed to be able to fix the wontfix "it is not possible to fix because i do not understand the road map in the first place".

IF Nokia had pulled development together instead of walking away from it leaving the nofix an indefinite nofix situation then Maemo would have been something to shout home about.

Now your reference to meego in that it is only doing "reference"ui's, this is not good enough and never will be simply because you need complete intergration with the main part of the os that controls all the components within a particular device and you can see the obvious problems with the CSSU because it does not "intergrate" and enhance the actual "brains" of the os in general, rather it cocks it up and makes the os something it should not be and the reason you get crashes and os failures resulting in a reboot situation.

Meego is a complete joke because you just can not write software for a closed and unknown set of components within the device it will address.

OS stands for Operating System and is the same as BIOS "basic input output system" in that if you cock up the basic os then you get instant failure and the very reason you just can not write software to run alongside an os without knowing how to make sure your not changing the way the drivers control there components.

This is the clear reason you just can not write software if it be open source or not without the complete os source code and i will copy and paste something to prove what i am talking about.

Real-time
A real-time operating system is a multitasking operating system that aims at executing real-time applications. Real-time operating systems often use specialized scheduling algorithms so that they can achieve a deterministic nature of behavior. The main objective of real-time operating systems is their quick and predictable response to events. They have an event-driven or time-sharing design and often aspects of both. An event-driven system switches between tasks based on their priorities or external events while time-sharing operating systems switch tasks based on clock interrupts.

Multi-user vs. Single-user
A multi-user operating system allows multiple users to access a computer system concurrently. Time-sharing system can be classified as multi-user systems as they enable a multiple user access to a computer through the sharing of time. Single-user operating systems, as opposed to a multi-user operating system, are usable by a single user at a time. Being able to have multiple accounts on a Windows operating system does not make it a multi-user system. Rather, only the network administrator is the real user. But for a Unix-like operating system, it is possible for two users to login at a time and this capability of the OS makes it a multi-user operating system.

Multi-tasking vs. Single-tasking
When only a single program is allowed to run at a time, the system is grouped under a single-tasking system. However, when the operating system allows the execution of multiple tasks at one time, it is classified as a multi-tasking operating system. Multi-tasking can be of two types: pre-emptive or co-operative. In pre-emptive multitasking, the operating system slices the CPU time and dedicates one slot to each of the programs. Unix-like operating systems such as Solaris and Linux support pre-emptive multitasking. Cooperative multitasking is achieved by relying on each process to give time to the other processes in a defined manner. MS Windows prior to Windows 2000 used to support cooperative multitasking.

Distributed
A distributed operating system manages a group of independent computers and makes them appear to be a single computer. The development of networked computers that could be linked and communicate with each other, gave rise to distributed computing. Distributed computations are carried out on more than one machine. When computers in a group work in cooperation, they make a distributed system.

Embedded
Embedded operating systems are designed to be used in embedded computer systems. They are designed to operate on small machines like PDAs with less autonomy. They are able to operate with a limited number of resources. They are very compact and extremely efficient by design. Windows CE and Minix 3 are some examples of embedded operating systems.


A mobile device is just the same as a computer in that it has its own set of components and all components must be driven right to function.

The CSSU does not do this and cocks up the basic os instead of enhancing it due to lack of vital source code of the component drivers.

Meego is in the same bracket as it is no good without access to source drivers and the reason i said "here we go again".
 
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What meego is attempting to do is be "universal" to all devices and this is an impossible situation because ALL devices need to be addressed specifically and unless you get mobile devices using always the same set of components then for obvious reasons meego will never ever work.
 
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IF you want the N9 to be successful then developers MUST have direct access to it's operating system source code.

A no win situation once again because the N9 is CLOSED SOURCE.
 
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Originally Posted by bbin View Post
You still don't get it, do you? FOSS equals *hit to the end user. You might want to get that head out from the bush.

LOL Who is "meego.ce team"??? Intel's 5 guys?
And a question you should ask stskeeps !!!!.


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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
IF Nokia had pulled development together instead of walking away from it leaving the nofix an indefinite nofix situation then Maemo would have been something to shout home about.
Wait... what!?

 
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
And a question you should ask stskeeps !!!!.


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