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#1871
Originally Posted by sulu View Post
Should I be worried by the fact that I only know a handful of Polish words and that document's name is on that list?
Totally OT, but at least something to smile
Me too "worried"
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#1872
Originally Posted by sulu View Post
Should I be worried by the fact that I only know a handful of Polish words and that document's name is on that list?
Haha!
The event is named P.I.W.O. It's indeed a word play and it expands to Poznańska Impreza Wolnego Oprogramowania (Poznań Free Software Party/Event).

What's funny, its logo is doing another word play - when you read it as "pi w o" you get "pi inside o", which can be seen on the logo

PS. But there was also some piwo after P.I.W.O.
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#1873
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Moved all posts "re: refund" to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93197
Please don't post to here when the topic is "Change in Organization, for a better project" aka "refunds"

Moved Dave999 question about moderation to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93198

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#1874
Originally Posted by joerg_rw View Post
PCB layout for now is owned by GDC/Nikolaus, we need to discuss this but it won't be any obstacle for the project since in the end it doesn't matter who "owns" the layout. It might become relevant when it comes to publishing the project data (eagle project files) which we may or may not do eventually, depending on what we agree upon inside the Neo900 team.
(quote from ma refund thread, but my question OT there and on-topic here)

I'm very interested why decision about publishing Eagle project files isn't a sure thing? If it depends on something, then what it is, any particular reasons for not doing it, *if* the project comes to fruition, eventually?

It seems to me, that it would nicely play along with "FOSH(ardware)" spirit of the project.

/Estel
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#1875
please read the quote in your question, it has the answer to your question already. Also:
The layout contains assets GDC owned and brought to the project and thus still owns them now
And no, this is not exactly a FOSH project in the sense you use the word. Never been. We might consider making it one, eventually. When we agree that we all want to do that. This project is not meant to provide a blueprint to you how to DIY your own Neo900

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#1876
With all due respect, you've avoided answering the question. The fact that Mr. Nikolaus owns PCB layout, doesn't expand why you couldn't not want to release it.

In my understanding, "We might consider making it one", means that you have some reasons/arguments against it. I'm sincerely interested in what those are.

Of course, if you just don't know, or is it the (typical in hardware production business) memento of "it's better to own something exclusively that don't, even if we don't know why, yet", I'll accept that as answer.

I would just like to hear it, officially, from the Neo900, this or other way. Believe it or not, but there are people, that consider eventual FOSW of the project as very important factor, before making pre-order/support decision*. Even if it can't be guaranteed now, knowing the reasoning of project Creators is useful when deciding if one want to "take the risk" of jumping into the bandwagon now, before releasing/not releasing those files in some Free license is confirmed/denied.

Respect, love, and pink chocolate flowers
/Estel

*Including two people, that I'm personally trying to convince into pre-ordering - well, at least as soon as the new donation method is up, as it's not quite reasonable to do so now and get refund, losing on conversion/transfer fees...

//Edit

On a different note - dos1, before the idea of getting FSF blessing for Neo900 got (apparently) abandoned, you've announced writing detailed article, that would be an in-depth polemic with FSF dogma about modem having it's software "burned in stone".

Privately, I agree with Neo900's stance on this, and I would very much like being able to show this article (written by someone that know the matter better than I do) to people that don't get why FSF won't "bless" Neo900. Unfortunately, I - apparently - missed its release, and can't seem to find it on Neo900 news list. Could you, please, point me to it?

Also, was it sent to FSF lads and guys? I wonder if there was any comment on your reasoning, from their side.

//Edit 2
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Thank you for your (typically) respectful and cultural answer to my "pestering" question. I wish you all the luck in the world with leading Neo900 project, with an attitude like that.
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#1877
what in "we might consider making it one, eventually" you failed to grok? We didn't care about that detail yet. period. You're free to consider this a negligance but it's not relevant for us right now. It's not a product property requirement spec. Please stop pestering.
 

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Originally Posted by Estel View Post
On a different note - dos1, before the idea of getting FSF blessing for Neo900 got (apparently) abandoned, you've announced writing detailed article, that would be an in-depth polemic with FSF dogma about modem having it's software "burned in stone".
Sorry, it's not there yet. I remember about it and it will eventually be written and published, just don't know when.

Actually, I think I'll merge it into the article about modem monitoring solution, since both topics in their cores fly around the same thing - privacy.
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#1879
Hahahaha...sorry not laughing at the sitch or the parties...
But "grok" ?!?!

Love the seamless slip of Heinlein there ...love it
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