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2011-12-03
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#882
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Originally Posted by mmlado
I would always prefer a system with strict rules and without any kind of randomness.
This solution would be relevant only if zehjotkah decides to go with the results from RTSTV calculations.
For FTSTV calculations there is no tie and Rockmarble is third place, while BashORGquotations is forth.
My project is in both cases not affected. So perhaps I'm allowed to suggest to use the FTSTV system instead of RTSTV.
What speaks against the FTSTV system?
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2011-12-03
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#883
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Yesterday quite a lot has happened. So I think I'll try to summarize what was going on and what the current status is:
First Results via RTSTV
The first results neal (#764 and #765) and I (#848) published used RTSTV.
Random Changes in RTSTV Results
RTSTV stands for Random Transfer Single Transferable Vote. As the name implies and as we also figured out (great thanks to mmlado) this method relies to some degree on randomness. Due to this we encountered a situation in which the places 3 and 5 in the Fun & Strange category are randomly changing (see the following posts by mmlado and me: #869, #870, and #872).
No Random Changes in FTSTV Results
FTSTV (Fractional Transfer Single Transferable Vote) did not show this random behavior (see the following posts by mmlado and me: #871 and #874).
Results via FTSTV
Results generated with FTSTV had been published by mmlado (#859), neal (#861), and me (#873). Additionally I published the results generated via FTSTV with the last places added manually (#877).
Council Elections used both FTSTV and RTSTV
There was also the discussion whether to choose FTSTV or RTSTV based on what has been used in the council elections. As one can see actually both had been used (see my post: #860) in the past for council elections. Though as far as I can see RTSTV had only been used once (in Q1 2009) and the last three council elections used FTSTV (Q3 2009, Q1 2010, and Q3 2010).
Summary
So, to sum all this up we have the choice between FTSTV and RTSTV. In our case RTSTV is problematic as it randomly changes winning places in at least one category. So probably the logic consequence is to use FTSTV as this avoids the random changes?
Please Verify
I hope I didn't miss important information. It would be nice if you could re-check the whole discussion from yesterday and verify that everything which is important got mentioned.
First Results via RTSTV
The first results neal (#764 and #765) and I (#848) published used RTSTV.
Random Changes in RTSTV Results
RTSTV stands for Random Transfer Single Transferable Vote. As the name implies and as we also figured out (great thanks to mmlado) this method relies to some degree on randomness. Due to this we encountered a situation in which the places 3 and 5 in the Fun & Strange category are randomly changing (see the following posts by mmlado and me: #869, #870, and #872).
No Random Changes in FTSTV Results
FTSTV (Fractional Transfer Single Transferable Vote) did not show this random behavior (see the following posts by mmlado and me: #871 and #874).
Results via FTSTV
Results generated with FTSTV had been published by mmlado (#859), neal (#861), and me (#873). Additionally I published the results generated via FTSTV with the last places added manually (#877).
Council Elections used both FTSTV and RTSTV
There was also the discussion whether to choose FTSTV or RTSTV based on what has been used in the council elections. As one can see actually both had been used (see my post: #860) in the past for council elections. Though as far as I can see RTSTV had only been used once (in Q1 2009) and the last three council elections used FTSTV (Q3 2009, Q1 2010, and Q3 2010).
Summary
So, to sum all this up we have the choice between FTSTV and RTSTV. In our case RTSTV is problematic as it randomly changes winning places in at least one category. So probably the logic consequence is to use FTSTV as this avoids the random changes?
Please Verify
I hope I didn't miss important information. It would be nice if you could re-check the whole discussion from yesterday and verify that everything which is important got mentioned.
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2011-12-03
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#884
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Hi All,
It was an exiting competition! Congratulations to the winners
I would like to make short announcement so that the topic could take a breath of fresh air from the voting process
Yesterday the new version 2.0.0 of my app location2sms was released in Nokia Ovi Store for MeeGo Harmattan devices. It includes bug fixes and multi-language support so you can view the app in English, Bulgarian and Turkish.
As I said earlier location2sms is now an open-source project and the source code is hosted at gitorious.
Cheers,
Leon
It was an exiting competition! Congratulations to the winners
I would like to make short announcement so that the topic could take a breath of fresh air from the voting process
Yesterday the new version 2.0.0 of my app location2sms was released in Nokia Ovi Store for MeeGo Harmattan devices. It includes bug fixes and multi-language support so you can view the app in English, Bulgarian and Turkish.
As I said earlier location2sms is now an open-source project and the source code is hosted at gitorious.
Cheers,
Leon
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2011-12-04
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#885
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FTSTV FTW!
Randomness is not fair me thinks...
neal: the decision that we'll have 5 prizes was made when we got the N900s for every category.
First we had 3 or 4 prizes because we only had the N9s (or back then the travels) as first prizes but this even not for sure.
edit: Sorry for the lack of participation. At work I got a huge project (planning and executing a big online marketing campaign), so I was working without pauses and without surfing on tmo...
Randomness is not fair me thinks...
neal: the decision that we'll have 5 prizes was made when we got the N900s for every category.
First we had 3 or 4 prizes because we only had the N9s (or back then the travels) as first prizes but this even not for sure.
edit: Sorry for the lack of participation. At work I got a huge project (planning and executing a big online marketing campaign), so I was working without pauses and without surfing on tmo...
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2011-12-04
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#886
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
I'm confused. In the following post, you mention 3 or 4 prizes and the N900s (from Sept 9).
FTSTV FTW!
Randomness is not fair me thinks...
neal: the decision that we'll have 5 prizes was made when we got the N900s for every category.
First we had 3 or 4 prizes because we only had the N9s (or back then the travels) as first prizes but this even not for sure.
edit: Sorry for the lack of participation. At work I got a huge project (planning and executing a big online marketing campaign), so I was working without pauses and without surfing on tmo...
Originally Posted by zehjotkah
These are different prizes.
First prize: Lets say the N9 is worth about 500€ (or more, exact prices not announced yet)
Second prize: The N900 is worth about 200€ (I think)
Third prize: About 1.000€ from donations distributed among 9 categories. Makes 111€ per category.
Or we could split the money to get a fourth prize:
3rd: 80€
4th: 30€
Don't worry.
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2011-12-04
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#887
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okay, then my memory is not as good as it should... sorry.
then I have to stick to my word from before...
3rd: 70%
4th: 30%
is that okay?
then I have to stick to my word from before...
3rd: 70%
4th: 30%
is that okay?
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2011-12-04
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
Alright, then we have the results published by mmlado (#859), neal (#861), and me (#873 and #877 respectively).
FTSTV FTW!
Randomness is not fair me thinks...
I think you want us to verify these?
I just compared my results to those from neal and both are identical (In my resulst as posted in #877 I just added the last places as already discussed in here.).
Comparing my results to those from mmlado there are some differences but these differences are not on winning places. The differences are namely:
- Graphics & Multimedia Category places 7 and 8 are switched.
- Games Category several differences from the 7th place on (Places 1-6 are identical.).
It would be nice if others could check and verify these results as well.
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2011-12-04
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
Don't worry. I think we all highly appreciate your work in this competition.
edit: Sorry for the lack of participation. At work I got a huge project (planning and executing a big online marketing campaign), so I was working without pauses and without surfing on tmo...
Am also working more like 7 days a week these days...
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2011-12-05
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I've submitted the results:
Thanks for all your help and community-spirit!
Hi Riku,
here are the results, please publish them. We used FTSTV with a script which makes ranking possible.
Business & Office Category
1. MeePasswords http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/68
2. LUCID iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4
3. ClipMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/13
4. MeeToDo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/74
Location & Navigation Category
1. CloudGPS http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/81
2. modRana http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/80
3. GPS Sport Sniffer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/43
4. Nelisquare http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/73
System & Utilities Category
1. Filebox http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/66
2. OMWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/47
3. MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24
4. KhtEditor http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/60
Network & Communication Category
1. QNetMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/28
2. Woodchuck http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/84
3. Tweed Suit http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/29
4. LinkedUp http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/44
Graphics & Multimedia Category
1. cuteTube-QML http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/3
2. FlowPlayer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/56
3. DLNA Player http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/20
4. Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12
Fun & Strange Category
1. PGZ Urban Dictionary http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/65
2. N900 X-Ray http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/22
3. Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55
4. BashORGquotations http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/64
Desktop & Widgets Category
1. Oculo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/14
2. TodoList Widget http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/86
3. Conky Layout Switcher http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/6
4. TcpIpKeyboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/72
Games Category
1. Nine Mens Morris Muhle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/51
2. Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82
3. Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41
4. PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10
Beginners Category
1. MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24
2. Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27
3. TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5
4. location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62
Thanks and best regards,
Cosimo
For FTSTV calculations there is no tie and Rockmarble is third place, while BashORGquotations is forth.
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