Originally Posted by Dave999

Yes, I would call it that from summer to winter. But the delay is not a bad thing. In fact I think we will se another delay as well. The current target is to release before end of the year. But from the lack of info and promotion plus the video with the slow browser I would say that Christmas is too optimistic. So it's back to summer again, unless you are in the first batch as most of us here. We will hopefully get it before summer if we choose to.

But during that time. Both Tizen and Ubuntu(may 2014) will be released and it might be tempting for some jolla buyers. So while the delay is good for the product it's not always good for the market.

Originally Posted by Zoxir

Seriously the ubuntu bogus promises and the non existing tizen smartphone that samsung may or may not make available. The only serious new players are FF OS and Sailfish.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Ubuntu Edge was all hype, no way in Hell it was going to be successful, and hindsight shows me why the specs were so damn high - have you seen Ubuntu Touch on a machine lesser than a Nexus 4? It's slow, clumsy and that's on pretty decent hardware (saw it on YouTube on a Galaxy S).

Tizen... a lot of commitments that are unfortunately going nowhere. My like of Tizen has dwindled to next to nothing due to the talk, promise, lack of deliverables.

FFOS is nice, but it's too low end for my needs. Sailfish is middle of the road, but not coming to any market where I can buy it anytime soon. So with those two being the pick of the litter in regards to "seriousness", I'm going to find hope for better options sooner than later.

Read: I'm tired of waiting.

Originally Posted by shmerl

Is something coming? https://twitter.com/zzste/status/392718794126143488

It’s part of the unique way that Xiaomi operates, closely analyzing the user feedback it gets on its smartphones and following the suggestions it likes for the next batch of 100,000 phones. It releases them every Tuesday at noon Beijing time. “Every batch is incrementally better,” said Hugo Barra, the ex-Google product executive who jumped over to Xiaomi in August in what looked like a role to help the company expand internationally. Barra was speaking on stage at the GMIC mobile conference in San Francisco on Tuesday, alongside Xiaomi’s billionaire founder Lei Jun. Just across the street at the Moscone Center North, Apple was releasing a new range of iPads, last updated in November 2012.
Barra, who had his own experience at Google to compare to, said Xiaomi’s obsessive and rapidly-executed focus on user feedback was “not something you see often in this landscape.” He revealed that product managers at the company can spend half their time perusing the company’s active user forums.

While this crowd-sourced approach to developing a product is the complete antithesis to Apple’s secretive, top-down approach, Xiaomi gets called the Apple of China on a regular basis.
“What we are trying to accomplish is very different to what Apple is trying to achieve,” said Jun, who spoke through a translator.

Originally Posted by jalyst

Kinda the sort of thing we've been pinning for here, but it has mostly evaded us, so far at least...

Originally Posted by Oblomow

No, not really. Xiaomi gets feedback from their customers. Jolla does not have a product yet,

Btw, stalking them on twitter is not constructive feedback. Let them just finish their product, they have no obligation whatsoever to give out further product specs or details about their plans. When they do it's great, if not, don't harass them, it just keeps them away from more important things, like coding or, probably, sleep.